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ghostrider
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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: 74 School Shootings Since Sandy Hook |
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"Tuesday's deadly shooting at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, Ore., was the 74th school shooting since the Dec. 14, 2012, massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., according to Everytown, the grassroots gun control group launched earlier this year by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg....
"Put another way, there has been, on average, a school shooting every 7.35 days since the tragedy in Newtown — a statistic not lost on President Barack Obama.
" 'We're the only developed country on Earth where this happens,' Obama said Tuesday during a question-and-answer session on Tumblr. 'And it happens now once a week. And it's a one-day story. There's no place else like this.' "
https://news.yahoo.com/us-school-shootings-list-134025238.html
So a school shooting happens about once a week in the US. And Americans can't even agree that background checks should be required for all gun purchases. Outrageous. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Not that I deny the need for stricter gun control, but if school shootings are really happening once a week in the US, easy access to guns is most definitely not the only problem. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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All the teachers and kids in the schools should be armed too so they can defend themselves  |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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No worry. Just put a SWAT team in every school in the country and use full body scanners at the doors.
Then they can have their guns and "safe" schools too.
Yea. It is just outrageous but it is their "right".
And it just goes to show that "There is nothing common about common sense".
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't say how many of these shootings are gang/drug related.
The American high school is a borderline correctional facility. What do you expect when you cram 2000 hormonal adolescents into a cramped facility when a bunch of them don't want to be there and are forced to sit through material that they think will have little impact on their lives. Toss drugs into the mix and people from all different kinds of social strata and ethnic backgrounds and this is what you get. Not to mention you have a pop culture that values the lewd, crude, and violent.
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| And it just goes to show that "There is nothing common about common sense". |
Your drive-by one sentence solutions are not a substitute for rational decision making and careful policy decisions that take into consideration legal, political, and social factors.
Common sense says that this issue needs more than just common sense to take care of it. |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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The stupidity around guns and gun laws in the States make rational decision making and careful policy decisions impossible.
"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" (Charlton Heston - popularized by the NRA)
It is truly stupid that protection of arms is protected violently but the regular deaths of innocent children is just an aside and secondary.
Freekin Fools and their foolishness. Put up the fences and protect the rest of the planet from their madness. It is truly scary when you think that Mogadishu (with its gangs) is safer than east LA or downtown Atlanta.
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KimchiNinja
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" (Charlton Heston - popularized by the NRA)
It is truly stupid that protection of arms is protected violently but the regular deaths of innocent children is just an aside and secondary. |
Everything in the USA is about money. They just wanna sell product and make profit, children dying is "an externality".
Meanwhile the idiots chant what the corporation tells them to chant "people kill people, etc". |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
It doesn't say how many of these shootings are gang/drug related.
The American high school is a borderline correctional facility. What do you expect when you cram 2000 hormonal adolescents into a cramped facility when a bunch of them don't want to be there and are forced to sit through material that they think will have little impact on their lives. Toss drugs into the mix and people from all different kinds of social strata and ethnic backgrounds and this is what you get. Not to mention you have a pop culture that values the lewd, crude, and violent.
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And this doesn't happen in other countries? The only real difference is the ease of access to guns and the mass shootings every other week.
Every other first world country has the same and/or similar problems to America except for the mass shooting continuously happening. The number of guns and the fact that any lunatic can get his/her hands on them is the problem.
No background checks before you can buy a gun. What retards thought that was a good idea?
The NRA should be called the National Retard Association. |
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KimchiNinja
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
The NRA should be called the National Retard Association. |
Thanks, I'm using that from now on!! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
The stupidity around guns and gun laws in the States make rational decision making and careful policy decisions impossible.
"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" (Charlton Heston - popularized by the NRA)
It is truly stupid that protection of arms is protected violently but the regular deaths of innocent children is just an aside and secondary.
Freekin Fools and their foolishness. Put up the fences and protect the rest of the planet from their madness. It is truly scary when you think that Mogadishu (with its gangs) is safer than east LA or downtown Atlanta.
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With all due respect, there us nothing stupid about the Bill of Rights. I'm shocked that simeone who gives contractual and legal advice is so indifferent to the legal and political structures involving gun ownership in the U.S. Guns cannot be outlawed by simple national or local edict. Nor can they be banned through legislation. Nor referendum. There are only two ways- Either The Suprem Court reinterprets the 2nd Amendment OR a Constitutional Amendment repealing the 2nd Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, is issued. Both would represent grave events.
The 2nd Amendments wording is vague, but it does give some sort of protection to bearing arms. To find that there was absolutely NO protection to ownership would be a feat of serious legal gymnastics. On the other hand, to overturn an Amendment is exceedingly difficult. It has been done only once. To do it to a part of the Bill of Rights would set a tremendous a potentially catastrophic precedent. At that point things like Free Speech, Cruel and Unusual Punishment, Due Process, etc. are all in question. I am no fan of gun culture, but to suggest that Americans are dumb because they dont want to jeopardize their bill of rights is ridiculous.
Your rendering of the situation is superficial amd sophomoric. |
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Kepler
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
No background checks before you can buy a gun. What retards thought that was a good idea?
The NRA should be called the National Retard Association. |
Try to look at things from their perspective. Should you be required to pass a background check in order to exercise a right protected by the US Constitution? How about freedom of the press or freedom of religion? Should you pass a background check before attending church or getting published in a newspaper?
Guns have long been easily accessible in America. The problem is that there are a lot more crazies freely roaming in America. It used to be much more common to keep mentally unstable people locked up- in a padded cell with a straitjacket on if necessary. Insane asylums were not pleasant places but they did protect the rest of society. Nowadays people like Elliot Rodger (the Isla Vista shooter) with a history of abnormal behavior can post threats online and the police do nothing except talk to him. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
With all due respect, there us nothing stupid about the Bill of Rights. I'm shocked that simeone who gives contractual and legal advice is so indifferent to the legal and political structures involving gun ownership in the U.S. Guns cannot be outlawed by simple national or local edict. Nor can they be banned through legislation. Nor referendum. There are only two ways- Either The Suprem Court reinterprets the 2nd Amendment OR a Constitutional Amendment repealing the 2nd Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, is issued. Both would represent grave events.
The 2nd Amendments wording is vague, but it does give some sort of protection to bearing arms. To find that there was absolutely NO protection to ownership would be a feat of serious legal gymnastics. On the other hand, to overturn an Amendment is exceedingly difficult. It has been done only once. To do it to a part of the Bill of Rights would set a tremendous a potentially catastrophic precedent. At that point things like Free Speech, Cruel and Unusual Punishment, Due Process, etc. are all in question. I am no fan of gun culture, but to suggest that Americans are dumb because they dont want to jeopardize their bill of rights is ridiculous. |
You have your opinion and I have mine.
Guns or kids... it's not that hard ... but we can see which one has more value to your average American.
As I said (time and time again) ... when it comes to guns in the States rational decision making and careful policy decisions are impossible.
They will just continue to kill off their youth, defend their "right" and be the ONLY developed nation on the planet with this issue.
Put up the fences and protect the rest of the planet from their madness.
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Kuros
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
Guns have long been easily accessible in America. The problem is that there are a lot more crazies freely roaming in America. |
Which is why you can't have guns in America anymore. Duh.
Times change dude, the old guns rules are outdated, they came from a different age. Time to move forward. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: 74 School Shootings Since Sandy Hook |
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Those 74 shooting incidents were just in schools.
How about dead kids outside of schools?
So how many hundreds and thousands more dead kids will it take.
Your average American values their "right" to have guns more than they value their kids or the political will would have taken care of the issue long ago.
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