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Is anyone currently working for a decent hagwon?
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a friendly pioneer



Joined: 24 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Is anyone currently working for a decent hagwon? Reply with quote

I'm trying to find an alternate road in if EPIK fails me. There is a lot of information about bad hagwons, but very little about good ones. I know there are threads about this kind of thing on here already, but it seems like no one is ever willing to part with the name/names of these places.

My preference: none. I'll live anywhere. I just really want to get over to Korea with a decent company willing to take me in. I have solid references, a good resume and a little experience backing me up.

I've gone with the recruiters, but I don't really like how pushy most of them are. It'd be cool to just contact the school on my own if at all possible.


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mongolian spot



Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The words 'good' 'friendly' and 'hagwan' should never ever appear in the same sentence.

Sorry to burst your bubble newb but set hopes more on a place that doesn't screw you out of money and/or doesn't show constant disrespect becvause your not a mongol
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a friendly pioneer



Joined: 24 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are good ones.

I might be a newb, but I know people that are making the change from public to hagwon or know people in convenient spots.

Thanks for the condescension, though.

Maybe a better way to phrase my thread or post would've been, "What's a Hagwon that isn't known for bad contracts, etc.?"

Or, "Is anyone here currently working for a hagwon and happy with the position?"

Let's adjust the thread to that.

Also, I don't mind the idea of working for a business. I don't have this fantastic idea that teaching English in Korea is some meaningful expenditure of my knowledge and that the children will be captivated by my American aura. I just like the idea of doing something that utilizes a skill set I have and that gets me out of the country for a while.

So please, let's tone down the negativity. I'm aware of the positives and negatives of both private and public schools. All I want is to see if someone can guide me in the right direction without the assistance of a pushy recruiter who gives me any hagwon that crosses his desk and claims, "OH YEAH, THIS PLACE IS AWESOME!"

Is WILS any good?
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xingyiman



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are lots of great hogwans out there. I work at one now. The last one I worked at I had a few issues but nothing insurmountable. Last year there was another employee at our school who didn't fair so well but I would have to say that 60% of her problems she brought on herself and lots of it was baggage she brought with her. The current guy, her replacement is doing just fine. Most of the people who have had "bad hogwan syndrome" here that I have had firsthand knowledge of were usually a big part of the problem. Too much pride, coupled with an inability to maintain healthy working relationships with people back in their own countries let alone mentioning how they fared here. Words of advice, learn to negotiate with Koreans. This takes practice but I can say that attitude gets you nowhere.
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mongolian spot



Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a friendly pioneer wrote:
There are good ones.

I might be a newb, but I know people that are making the change from public to hagwon or know people in convenient spots.

Thanks for the condescension, though.

Maybe a better way to phrase my thread or post would've been, "What's a Hagwon that isn't known for bad contracts, etc.?"

Or, "Is anyone here currently working for a hagwon and happy with the position?"

Let's adjust the thread to that.

Also, I don't mind the idea of working for a business. I don't have this fantastic idea that teaching English in Korea is some meaningful expenditure of my knowledge and that the children will be captivated by my American aura. I just like the idea of doing something that utilizes a skill set I have and that gets me out of the country for a while.

So please, let's tone down the negativity. I'm aware of the positives and negatives of both private and public schools. All I want is to see if someone can guide me in the right direction without the assistance of a pushy recruiter who gives me any hagwon that crosses his desk and claims, "OH YEAH, THIS PLACE IS AWESOME!"

Is WILS any good?



How was i condescending?

I don't know anybody here that is happy. Working in Korea fkin sucks big time, everybody knows it. Mongols DO NOT know how to manage anything.

You understand its a business? Who care frankly. Do you think that your new boss will appreciate your fresh thinking, think again ruby. These people just hate paying their workers, period.

You will be resented for being paid. Welcome to Korea.

As i said ruby good luck with finding a place that won't stiff you or disrespect you.
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mongolian spot



Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xingyiman wrote:
There are lots of great hogwans out there. I work at one now. The last one I worked at I had a few issues but nothing insurmountable. Last year there was another employee at our school who didn't fair so well but I would have to say that 60% of her problems she brought on herself and lots of it was baggage she brought with her. The current guy, her replacement is doing just fine. Most of the people who have had "bad hogwan syndrome" here that I have had firsthand knowledge of were usually a big part of the problem. Too much pride, coupled with an inability to maintain healthy working relationships with people back in their own countries let alone mentioning how they fared here. Words of advice, learn to negotiate with Koreans. This takes practice but I can say that attitude gets you nowhere.


Yeh it was clearly my personality that tried to jerk me on pay, severance, overtime.

im sure your mongol bosses enjoy the hand jobs.
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seonsengnimble



Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are definitely decent hagwon gigs out there. Mine is pretty good, but I found it through a friend who was working here. There are at least three things to keep in mind if you're applying from outside of Korea:

1. Contact foreign teachers who work there.

2. Go with a hagwon that has been around for a while. New hagwons may be ok, but chances are they will be much more disorganized and likely to have financial difficulties.

3. If it's your first gig, working for a school that's part of a chain rather than a franchise is a bit safer.
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RedRob



Joined: 07 Jul 2003
Location: Narnia

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I take it that yr not in the ROK yet? If you can afford it, get yr ass to Seoul, book into a cheap goshiwon and hunt from the ground up. It really is much easier + you get to view the accom etc. A good school will let you sit in on a lesson, view the resources, and generally have a good poke around. If not, they are hiding summink- so you can blow 'em off. Easy, no?
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

though I work in PS, I have many friends who are working/have completed several contracts in very good hagwons and have had very little problems.....just they don't have the need to post on here and rant like the majorty of posters on here Wink

Some of the contracts I have seen posted on here are terrible yet there are always people who end up signing them and consequently often the ones who inevitably end up on here ranting and blowing off steam when it all goes wrong.
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