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vaticanhotline



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: How far does discipline go in these schools? Reply with quote

I was teaching a highschool first grade class today, and I thought I heard one of the students say "screw you" (apparently, she only said "screw", but I'm getting more used to the Korean accent and I'm pretty sure that they don't add on a sound like they do with teach-ee). Anyway, I raised my voice a decibel, and said "What?", and she started crying. Not just a little lip-tremble, tear jerk either, but full on bawling. She even went to the co-teacher (who doesn't stay in the class for more than five minutes after it's begun) after the class.

I thought these kids were used to getting beaten (and I've seen some of the Korean teachers carrying around sticks). Am I missing something here? I've never appeared annoyed before this week, in any of my classes. Could there have been some kind of shock factor? If so, why run wailing to the co-teacher? Are NET's not supposed to have discipline in their classrooms?
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Teddycakes21



Joined: 18 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: How far does discipline go in these schools? Reply with quote

vaticanhotline wrote:
I was teaching a highschool first grade class today, and I thought I heard one of the students say "screw you" (apparently, she only said "screw", but I'm getting more used to the Korean accent and I'm pretty sure that they don't add on a sound like they do with teach-ee). Anyway, I raised my voice a decibel, and said "What?", and she started crying. Not just a little lip-tremble, tear jerk either, but full on bawling. She even went to the co-teacher (who doesn't stay in the class for more than five minutes after it's begun) after the class.

I thought these kids were used to getting beaten (and I've seen some of the Korean teachers carrying around sticks). Am I missing something here? I've never appeared annoyed before this week, in any of my classes. Could there have been some kind of shock factor? If so, why run wailing to the co-teacher? Are NET's not supposed to have discipline in their classrooms?


I've been here for 18 months and no one yet has mentioned their discipline policy to me. I've pleaded with them in the past to stick up for me and help me discipline my students, with absolutely no help.

For the last 6 months, if a student is bad enough, I take them outside for various physical punishment. I usually make the student hold something above their head for a period of time - the more severe the punishment, the more heavy the object & longer period of punishment.

I've forced students to go on 4 mile runs w/ me along the mountainside. I've never touched a student physically, but I have no qualms about punishing them if they are causing disturbances in my classes.
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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: How far does discipline go in these schools? Reply with quote

vaticanhotline wrote:
If so, why run wailing to the co-teacher? Are NET's not supposed to have discipline in their classrooms?


Running to your co-teacher happens, but don't stop bawling them out if it's justified. Your co-teachers should support your actions 100%--unless you're prone to temper tantrums and corporal punishment in class.

Last Friday, I taught all my grade 6 elementary classes on my own. The first class was really acting up and treating the classroom like an extension of the playground. I came down hard, like a thunderclap, had one girl first out in the hall and then sitting alone in a corner. I make sure to choose emotionally strong students. After that, the class behaved perfectly. We finished the work and then they left.

As I was leaving my class, I saw all the girls from my class talking to their homeroom teacher about how angry I had got. Righteous and perfectly controlled as it was. I was curious about what would transpire the next week. Well, this week the class has been acting beautifully; their homeroom teacher even asked me if they were behaving better. I told her yes, they're doing great--and thanks for your help. I don't know what she did, but I said that anyways.

When I get angry with a class--and believe me, my anger is ferocious--I always tell the class the next time I see them these words: "Please, please don't let me get angry. I don't want to get angry with you." This always works for me. Some posters will bang their podiums and say never get angry with your class, but in all my years of teaching, I've found that the reality is that you should never have a temper tantrum with your class, but if the anger is justified and controlled--even as it is expressed with your voice, body language, etc., then I've found it wins me a huge load of respect.

Funny thing is, when I told my co-teacher that I had got angry with that first class, she responded by getting angry with the next class. That made me laugh.
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Manuel_the_Bandito



Joined: 12 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: How far does discipline go in these schools? Reply with quote

vaticanhotline wrote:
I was teaching a highschool first grade class today, and I thought I heard one of the students say "screw you" (apparently, she only said "screw", but I'm getting more used to the Korean accent and I'm pretty sure that they don't add on a sound like they do with teach-ee). Anyway, I raised my voice a decibel, and said "What?", and she started crying. Not just a little lip-tremble, tear jerk either, but full on bawling. She even went to the co-teacher (who doesn't stay in the class for more than five minutes after it's begun) after the class.

I thought these kids were used to getting beaten (and I've seen some of the Korean teachers carrying around sticks). Am I missing something here? I've never appeared annoyed before this week, in any of my classes. Could there have been some kind of shock factor? If so, why run wailing to the co-teacher? Are NET's not supposed to have discipline in their classrooms?


Tell her knock it off unless she really wants something to cry about. In high school, for the love of God.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that if I yell very loud when I'm really angry it pretty much destroys the learning atmosphere, but if I do it sans anger - in a calculated way just to quiet them down and bring some order to the classroom - then it's appreciated by most of the students as positive teacher conduct.

Yelling as a result of uncontrolled anger naturally will be perceived as negative conduct - especially when done by a foreign teacher.

Definitely stop short of hitting students unless you're willing to risk losing your job and possibly getting deported.

(Admittedly, I've punched a couple rowdy students in the shoulder, but I was able to bribe them with enough candy to keep it 'em quiet, Laughing ...)
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DrugstoreCowgirl



Joined: 08 May 2009
Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name

PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a fan of yelling. If someone is being bad, I will walk over to them and tell them "don't do that again". If they do it again, I will look at them and raise my finger. Sometimes this works but I have 2 or 3 kids that are always really bad and they don't pay attention to me. I bring it up with my co-teacher who says that they are alway bad and their parents don't care. I said that next time I am going to make them stand in the back of the classroom as punishment and she just looked shocked and said "but they are like that always". It's really frustrating because maybe they would be better if people stopped making excuses for their bad behavior. I feel like if I did try to do something to punish these kids my co-teacher wouldn't back me up on it. Evil or Very Mad
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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
I've found that if I yell very loud when I'm really angry it pretty much destroys the learning atmosphere, but if I do it sans anger - in a calculated way just to quiet them down and bring some order to the classroom - then it's appreciated by most of the students as positive teacher conduct.

Yelling as a result of uncontrolled anger naturally will be perceived as negative conduct - especially when done by a foreign teacher.


Yeah, it's fascinating how variable the teaching experiences are. I can absolutely get boiling mad in class without negative consequences. And the learning experience isn't damaged in the least. I can howl like a coyote and the students will still be cool. I can't think of the last time I made a student cry. Like I said, I'm in control of my anger and it's not in control of me. I think extremely clearly when I'm really angry and I think that clarity helps guide my actions. Of course, the key here is that I didn't lose it in my first few months working here, but worked up to it so that it becomes normal. Tripping out when you first break in a class to your style of teaching is a bad idea. After you've gained their trust and they get to see many sides to your personality, you can get away with lots (within reason). Just don't try this stuff if you're a beginner, please.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've seen teachers hit the back of the girls' legs, pull hair, pull ears, hit their palms, and do a colourful variety of endurance punishments. there is corporal punishment in some schools, and yelling in a lot of them.

the student might just not be used to the foreign teacher yelling. students are taught to believe the foreign teacher is funny, nice, and laid back and that our classes should just be fun and games. the kid was probably shocked and scared that she made you mad.
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Fishead soup



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm like "Spok" I show no emotion. I think it works.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

now i tend to smile meanly and ask questions to the offending students in english at my normal pace. i usually embarrass (or confuse) them into obedience!
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thoreau



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: How far does discipline go in these schools? Reply with quote

Teddycakes21 wrote:
I've forced students to go on 4 mile runs w/ me along the mountainside. I've never touched a student physically, but I have no qualms about punishing them if they are causing disturbances in my classes.


This is abuse and you should be unceremoniously escorted out of the country.
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calicoe



Joined: 23 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm leaving the public school system over this crap. I've had quite a week regarding discipline and being blamed for my "oversensitive" and "too strict" standards. We are like sitting ducks. I'm fed up.
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shifter2009



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: How far does discipline go in these schools? Reply with quote

thoreau wrote:
Teddycakes21 wrote:
I've forced students to go on 4 mile runs w/ me along the mountainside. I've never touched a student physically, but I have no qualms about punishing them if they are causing disturbances in my classes.


This is abuse and you should be unceremoniously escorted out of the country.


Really? I got the living crap abused out of me then in my football and basketball practices then.....
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Meenam



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: How far does discipline go in these schools? Reply with quote

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This is abuse and you should be unceremoniously escorted out of the country.


abuse? please. A little exercise never hurt anyone. Not like they're tying a roap around their waste and dragging them at a sprint till they drop. Since when is exercise abuse?
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd call 4 mile run 기합 but you gotta know that teddycakes is at a private school. Public school discipline rules don't apply there.
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