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thecount
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: GEPIK deposit stipulations... |
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I've heard that GEPIK is very reliable as far as placement goes, but clauses such as this one have me wondering:
ARTICLE 17: (Security Deposit)
"1. Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively."
That seems to be a pretty sizable chunk of the monthly salary. Anyone familiar with this program able to comment? Is this deposit money relatively "safe," or do they generally try find ways to withhold it from you?
Thanks,
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: GEPIK deposit stipulations... |
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thecount wrote: |
I've heard that GEPIK is very reliable as far as placement goes... |
This is true... you will be placed somehere in Gyeonggi-do (probably rural).
thecount wrote: |
ARTICLE 17: (Security Deposit)
"1. Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively." |
It's simple... they (illegally) withold W300,000/month (for the first three months) to keep you from 'running' when you figure out their 'creative' accounting system has you working six hours of compusory overtime/week for no extra renumeration.  |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: GEPIK deposit stipulations... |
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cruisemonkey wrote: |
they (illegally) withold W300,000/month (for the first three months) to keep you from 'running' when you figure out their 'creative' accounting system has you working six hours of compusory overtime/week for no extra renumeration.  |
GEPIK has finally realised the deposit is illegal, apparently. I heard this from the horses mouth a couple weeks ago.
Instead they have found a way round it, which will be revealed in the all-new GEPIK contract that will be out in Jan 2010. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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GEPIK: "Sign this - XXX..."
CM: "No." |
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Jenrose
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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I saw that as well in a contract that I've received, and thought it was pretty steep. I'm still waiting to hear back about it. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with the contract, for the most part!  |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Location: earth
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:26 am Post subject: |
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GEPIK isn't holding your money, the school is, and not all schools are the same. my school offers to buy me new things for my apt all the time, and they bought all new appliances as well. oh and my schools creative accounting has me working 4 hours of overtime a month, and its at W22500/hr. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I had one school do this, and they paid me back. I had the same thing in a hagwon contract but they didn't actually take the money out. They did however decide to not pay me for my final month.
Conclusion, worry more about hagwons than what GEPIK will do to you. You are more likely to get the money back, as in my case.
As a side note, I don't see how overtime and 300,000 won three times relates to overtime "abuse". Overtime "abuse" will happen anywhere you go.
Right now, my current school wants me to work Saturdays in case the school has to close due to Swine Flu paranoia. This has NOTHING to do with security deposits. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:12 am Post subject: |
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lifeinkorea wrote: |
Overtime "abuse" will happen anywhere you go. |
Only if you're 'special'... or work for GEPIK.  |
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BigLarry
Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Anywhere there is wine.
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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It's called a deposit. Frankly it's not that much when you consider the amount they are investing in you and the reputation of new ESL teachers to run away.
GEPIK is the most reputable and safest teaching scheme there is, you've got nothing to worry about on this one. |
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tokkibunni8
Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm through Gepik and I have no problems with my school. They pay my overtime even if no one shows up. Two years I've been with my school and I'm scheduled to teach 2 hrs to the staffs every week, but no one ever shows up and they still pay me for it. Having a good relationship with your coteacher, the p, vp and staffs is the key to having a sucessful teaching year in Korea.
Things aren't perfect and don't go complaining about every little thing that there is. |
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Jenrose
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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BigLarry wrote: |
It's called a deposit. Frankly it's not that much when you consider the amount they are investing in you and the reputation of new ESL teachers to run away.
GEPIK is the most reputable and safest teaching scheme there is, you've got nothing to worry about on this one. |
That's the crazy thing, isn't it? Practically all of the contract stipulations are there because someone did something dumb, and now the schools have to protect themselves in case someone else does it again! |
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BigLarry
Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Anywhere there is wine.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Jenrose wrote: |
BigLarry wrote: |
It's called a deposit. Frankly it's not that much when you consider the amount they are investing in you and the reputation of new ESL teachers to run away.
GEPIK is the most reputable and safest teaching scheme there is, you've got nothing to worry about on this one. |
That's the crazy thing, isn't it? Practically all of the contract stipulations are there because someone did something dumb, and now the schools have to protect themselves in case someone else does it again! |
Well, that's ESL for you. Admittedly every contract I've encountered in Asian has an clause against running away. Sadly a small few give the rest of us a bad reputation. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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cruisemonkey wrote: |
lifeinkorea wrote: |
Overtime "abuse" will happen anywhere you go. |
Only if you're 'special'... or work for GEPIK.  |
Or a migrant worker...wait now  |
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Triban

Joined: 14 Jul 2009 Location: Suwon Station
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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tokkibunni8 wrote: |
I'm through Gepik and I have no problems with my school. They pay my overtime even if no one shows up. Two years I've been with my school and I'm scheduled to teach 2 hrs to the staffs every week, but no one ever shows up and they still pay me for it. Having a good relationship with your coteacher, the p, vp and staffs is the key to having a sucessful teaching year in Korea.
Things aren't perfect and don't go complaining about every little thing that there is. |
This. Just f*cking be nice to all of them and smile, and everything runs smoothly. |
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