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wanderingsalsero



Joined: 23 Dec 2006
Location: Houston, TX.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Is my school playing games with my return ticket? Reply with quote

I was asked today by my supr. KET today when I was leaving Korea (visa expires 13 Dec). I told her I didn't know (the reason being, I'm still looking for other work but I didn't feel like it was any of her business).

She also wanted to know if I planned on extending my visa.

I told her that I didn't know that I could do that, or, if so....how it worked. I said so and she then told me that I could renew for 30 days but if I did so that the school wouldn't be bound to buy my ticket home.

Is that true?

I'm still not sure what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks re: being able to get another job but at this point I don't trust anything these people tell me.

I guess the question is:

What are my options on extending my visa....i.e. what does it take?

I know I can do a visa 'run' and come back in and I"m not adverse to doing that.

I get the impression that they are/she is kinda making this up as they go along. She's sitting here next to me now and reading something in Korean and telling me that it says I can stay for 10 days beyond my stated visa expiration date. I'm kinda suspicious of that, actually. Is that true?

Just in case I decide that I want to do a visa run and only go to Japan or somewhere and then come back in, can they refuse to reimburse me for the full amount of my airfare back home?

I wouldn't think so.

that's the latest.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe, technically, the contract says the school will pay for your return ticket if the teacher leaves within 10 days of the last working day. you can get around that by simply buying a changeable or refundable ticket home, show it to them and get reimbursed. then just change your flight date.

for your visa, you can get a 30 day extension for non-working, travel purposes, but you have to apply for it online or at immigration.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. They are only legally obliged to buy a ticket to your HOME COUNTRY. Sometimes you can convince them that logically it is cheaper for them to buy you a flight to Japan or Thailand or wherever you really want to go but Logic and Klogic are 2 different things and many bosses will spend the 1.2 or whatever to send you home rather than 400,000 to send you to Japan. Klogic 101.

2. Just go into immi and get the extension by asking for it. Say you want it so you can look for a new job. I did it 2 months ago and it took about 5 mins from me entering the building and was completely hassle free. I got 30 days.
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:

2. Just go into immi and get the extension by asking for it. Say you want it so you can look for a new job. I did it 2 months ago and it took about 5 mins from me entering the building and was completely hassle free. I got 30 days.


you might get thirty days just by asking, but, more than likely, they will want to see your exit ticket and will extend only to the date of your flight, up to 30 days maximum. the extensions are so that you can get your affairs in order before you leave or for some tourist purpose. you can't work during this period and, technically, job hunting is not allowed - but no one will care if are using it to look for new employment.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was asked today by my supr. KET today when I was leaving Korea (visa expires 13 Dec).


Think of their side of it, they want to get another teacher to fill in so there isn't a gap without an English teacher. They don't have much time on their end, it's practically impossible to get someone out of Korea before your visa expires without an extension.

If you get an extension, does that mean they can use this 10 day rule? By the sound of it, they don't want to pay you for another month (for whatever reason) and are telling you they will only play if you leave on the 13th.

Personally, I would do that. Arrange the flight as mentioned above if you can (I have never done this). Try to get them to pay for it. Then, see what you can do to extend. Since you already have the flight at that point, it won't matter if they say no at the last minute.

Another option would be to forget the flight money. Sign a new contract, and then give them a 2 month notice when you want to find another school. Do you really want to look for a new school now in winter? I sure wouldn't want to move now. You could stick it out till Christmas, give your 2 month notice and be able to find a school for March. There are more schools then looking for teachers.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
Arrange the flight as mentioned above if you can (I have never done this). Try to get them to pay for it. Then, see what you can do to extend. Since you already have the flight at that point, it won't matter if they say no at the last minute.


i've done this with my first school and although i was really worried about it not working, everything went smoothly.

1. check to make sure you can alter the flight date.
2. buy your ticket home (within their 10 day leaving policy) a couple months ahead of time, because you know it'll take some bugging to get reimbursed.
3. show your co-teacher your ticket (they may photocopy it for their records).
4. wait until money is in your account.
5. change date of air ticket.
6. take new ticket to immigration or apply online. i applied online and they gave me a paper to print out stating i had a 30 day travel extension. i showed this to immigration when i left.
7. don't ever mention your plans to your co-workers.
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wanderingsalsero



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Location: Houston, TX.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: thanks Nomadish, round-eye and D........... Reply with quote

Well, that's good. So it sounds like getting the extension is no problem. The only issue is: when I get the extension relative to my last contact with the school (i.e. when they authorize the reimbursement for my trip home).

I don't want them to know I'm getting the extension. They seem of the opinion that if I get any kind of extension, period, it negates their responsibility to reimburse me for my return airfare.

I did get them (i.e. 'her') to allow that the ticket could be to anywhere just as long as it was out of Korea and prevented me from overstaying my visa (as it exists now for 13 December).
And she also agreed that the ultimate and eventual reimbursement would be based on my regularly scheduled airfare back to my home of record (in this case, Dallas).

I really don't want to tie up the large amount of cash to buy the full fare back to the US so it sounds to me like I could by a ticket anywhere else, get reimbursed my full airfare by the school, change my destination to someplace adequate just for a 'visa run', then come back in on a tourist visa.

Or, depending on when they reimbursed me, maybe even get the extension while I'm still here.

Make sense?

My western logic tells me that it shouldn't make any difference to anybody whether I got an extension or not. As long as it's legal with immigration, nobody ought to care, right?

But.....trying to have a logical discussion with the school is such a hassle when it seems like they delight in being a PITA.

I'm getting all these criteria, on behalf of the 'education establishment' from one particular KET who I thought was my supervisor all this last year. I think part of these past problems has just been that she doesn't know and really doesn't care on spending the time to work out the logic of it all. I'm 'old laundry' around here now, I guess.

But, when I asked her if she'd write me a letter of reference she said it wasn't her job and to ask this other guy who supposedly is the 'English teacher supervisor'. I asked and he did (I actually wrote the letter myself. He's been a good egg all this time.

So....I guess the last big question I have is whether I really have to buy the ticket myself (and get reimbursed). Or require them to do it. If I can get by with just getting a ticket to Japan, that might be cheaper for me.

Always appreciate feedback and the expert opinions of ya'll.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OculisOrbis wrote:
DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:

2. Just go into immi and get the extension by asking for it. Say you want it so you can look for a new job. I did it 2 months ago and it took about 5 mins from me entering the building and was completely hassle free. I got 30 days.


you might get thirty days just by asking, but, more than likely, they will want to see your exit ticket and will extend only to the date of your flight, up to 30 days maximum. the extensions are so that you can get your affairs in order before you leave or for some tourist purpose. you can't work during this period and, technically, job hunting is not allowed - but no one will care if are using it to look for new employment.


As usual Oo has the opposite info to mine and again opposing my actual experience, not just mine but many others I know have done exactly what I said without a glich...
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:
OculisOrbis wrote:
DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:

2. Just go into immi and get the extension by asking for it. Say you want it so you can look for a new job. I did it 2 months ago and it took about 5 mins from me entering the building and was completely hassle free. I got 30 days.


you might get thirty days just by asking, but, more than likely, they will want to see your exit ticket and will extend only to the date of your flight, up to 30 days maximum. the extensions are so that you can get your affairs in order before you leave or for some tourist purpose. you can't work during this period and, technically, job hunting is not allowed - but no one will care if are using it to look for new employment.


As usual Oo has the opposite info to mine and again opposing my actual experience, not just mine but many others I know have done exactly what I said without a glich...


you're protesting the part about showing immi your air ticket? even when i extended my visa online i had to scan in a copy of my air ticket. this was 2 years ago, but i doubt restrictions have eased up enough to simply ask for an extension without any proof of departure - maybe in a rare case or two.

the online immigration application form is here:
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/CvlapplInfoDetailR_en.pt?cvlapplCd=12700000095&locale=en&cvlapplGbSeq=
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:
OculisOrbis wrote:
DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:

2. Just go into immi and get the extension by asking for it. Say you want it so you can look for a new job. I did it 2 months ago and it took about 5 mins from me entering the building and was completely hassle free. I got 30 days.


you might get thirty days just by asking, but, more than likely, they will want to see your exit ticket and will extend only to the date of your flight, up to 30 days maximum. the extensions are so that you can get your affairs in order before you leave or for some tourist purpose. you can't work during this period and, technically, job hunting is not allowed - but no one will care if are using it to look for new employment.


As usual Oo has the opposite info to mine and again opposing my actual experience, not just mine but many others I know have done exactly what I said without a glich...


I'm not discrediting your stories. I believe that you did, in fact, get your extension from just asking, but I think it's important that people know the actual rules about this stuff rather than just your exceptional experiences. They can gamble and follow your advice or they can follow the rules and not have to worry about being denied at immi.

if you don't want to take me at my word about the rules (and I don't suggest anyone take advice without verifying that is correct first), call immi at 1345 and ask them.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing exeptional about it, I and three personal friends have done this in the past 6 months with no tkts.

Guess why we had no tkts???

Bercause we weren't intending to leave.

We were intending to stay and look for new jobs without leaving the country and we TOLD IMMIGRATION exactly that.
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations to you and your friends, once again. I'm not disputing your stories, but the immi officer made an EXCEPTION in your cases. That is not the norm nor does it adhere to the rules as set out by immigration regarding extension of stays.

Most people know that immigration is erratic in its application of its own rules, but there are rules - and if you dont want any complications, you need to be aware of them and follow them.

Taking advice based on someone else's personal, limited, experiences is not a wise thing to do when accurate information is readily available in print or by asking a rep from the office about their standards and practices.

Again if you want the REAL requirements, call 1345 and ask them or read the information on the link that nomad-ish provided.
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jpotter78



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Is my school playing games with my return ticket? Reply with quote

wanderingsalsero wrote:
She's sitting here next to me now and reading something in Korean and telling me that it says I can stay for 10 days beyond my stated visa expiration date.


Nope. You CAN be fined for staying even one day past your visa. I have heard so many people say that you can stay 10-14 days past your visa. It is not true. I was fined 100,000 won at the airport immigration last year for overstaying one day and my friend was fined the same this past summer for overstaying 7 or 8 days. Sometimes they let you off with a warning though, but it is ILLEGAL to stay past your visa. I just got a thing in the mail two days ago and a text on my phone that says I will be fined if I do not leave Korea on my visa expiration day (December 14).
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my school playing games with my return ticket? Reply with quote

jpotter78 wrote:
wanderingsalsero wrote:
She's sitting here next to me now and reading something in Korean and telling me that it says I can stay for 10 days beyond my stated visa expiration date.


Nope. You CAN be fined for staying even one day past your visa. I have heard so many people say that you can stay 10-14 days past your visa. It is not true. I was fined 100,000 won at the airport immigration last year for overstaying one day and my friend was fined the same this past summer for overstaying 7 or 8 days. Sometimes they let you off with a warning though, but it is ILLEGAL to stay past your visa. I just got a thing in the mail two days ago and a text on my phone that says I will be fined if I do not leave Korea on my visa expiration day (December 14).


I think you guys are confusing things.

My understanding is that she is saying IF HE GETS AN EXTENSION, then he only has 10 days after the end of the contract or the school won't pay for the flight. She seems to be communicating in a very open and honest way what the rules are. I get this from the following condition from one of the contracts I signed:

"Upon completion of Contract, one-way trip to the airport of return for either his/her home country or another country of shorter distance will be provided when the trip occurs within the first 10 days as of termination of employment." - GEPIK contract

I also had a similar condition through a hagwon. The school is not going come out and tell you that you need the extension though, just like they won't tell you that you must leave your apartment on the day your contract ends. It's assumed you will do this and think of it on your own. Welcome to Korean logic Razz
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my school playing games with my return ticket? Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
I get this from the following condition from one of the contracts I signed:

"Upon completion of Contract, one-way trip to the airport of return for either his/her home country or another country of shorter distance will be provided when the trip occurs within the first 10 days as of termination of employment." - GEPIK contract


yes, this is the clause she's referring to. that's why so many people do the return ticket change i mentioned. you get the money for the airfare and you can leave in up to 30 days (just remember to get an extension from immigration if you are leaving after the date on your ARC).
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