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crossmr
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 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: Korea kills H1N1 with water |
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http://www.physorg.com/news176991361.html
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| Scientists have found that acidic ozone water can deactivate H1N1 viruses very effectively, offering a promising disinfectant for the millions of people trying to avoid the disease. Acidic ozone water (AOW) is made from regular tap water mixed with a small amount of acid such as hydrochloric acid, along with an ozonized gas that can be produced in the lab. After deactivating the virus, the substance eventually decays into plain water, leaving no residue or harmful materials in the environment. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Grade A+ bull plop. If it works on swine zombie virus, it must work on normal run of the mill flu, too. I will believe it when it is being hailed as the miracle cure that saves 500,000 thousand lives, in the tabloids at 6am tomorrow morning. |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Grade A+ bull plop. If it works on swine zombie virus, it must work on normal run of the mill flu, too. I will believe it when it is being hailed as the miracle cure that saves 500,000 thousand lives, in the tabloids at 6am tomorrow morning. |
it does, they used it to kill 430,000 different viruses.
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| All the viruses were killed after five minutes of mixing the acidic ozone water with about 430,000 viruses in the environment. |
The benefit is this is not harmful in anyway, so they can mix it up and basically spray it everywhere, constantly to kill this and other harmful viruses. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Um, how is this any more effective than washing your hands with soap and water? Maybe if you inhale a lungful of acid-water, you'll be cured? |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Um, how is this any more effective than washing your hands with soap and water? Maybe if you inhale a lungful of acid-water, you'll be cured? |
These is for cleaning surfaces as far as I can tell. In a manner that doesn't require a harmful chemical sterilizer. It isn't mean to cure H1N1 in a person. Its going to be a cheap and safe way to sterilize basically anything. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: |
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It is not the water, but the ozone, and it is not only for viruses.
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| I know a number of cases of individuals with T-cell counts that have been very low, but because of regular ozone therapy they have not gotten any opportunistic infections. In fact, it's almost as though the ozone is taking the place of their immune system. Unfortunately, you often do not see rises in their T-cell counts, but you can see a stabilization and a management as a chronic manageable illness. It's my belief that the use of ozone in association with other complementary therapies can convert AIDS from a uniformly terminal illness to something that is chronically manageable, which is better than what anyone else can offer at this point. |
Many feel it to be the most promising, safe, and generally efficacious treatment for major degenerative diseases, from AIDS and chronic fatigue to cancer and arthritis. It's ozone - - medical ozone. Medical ozone differs from atmospheric ozone in that it is pure and concentrated. This is an important distinction because atmospheric ozone, produced from ultraviolet radiation, is combined with different nitrous oxide and sulfur dioxide products and is harmful. It's not used in medical practice.
Ozone (O3) is produced by the reaction of oxygen atoms (O) with molecular oxygen (O2)- This allotrope (different form) of oxygen possesses unique properties that, while they have yet to be completely defined and understood, have been benefiting clinical practice for years, albeit mostly in Europe. Most of the states in this country have yet to legalize use of the healing powers of this nontoxic molecule.
Of course lack of official acknowledgment within certain political boundaries in no way negates the properties of any natural substance, and that includes ozone. As a molecule containing an excess of energy, ozone manifests bactericidal, virucidal, and fungicidal action, which may make it a treatment of choice under certain conditions and an adjunct to treatment in others.2 Some of its characteristics and applications are described by Dr. Stanley Beyerle, a naturopathic physician who trained with some of the pioneers of ozone research and treatment:
http://www.garynull.com/documents/ozone.htm#1 |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Um, how is this any more effective than washing your hands with soap and water? |
 how many koreans have you seen do that? not in public washrooms they don't
if this 'miracle water' becomes all the craze in korea then that's good for basic sanitation in this country |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Its also better than soap and water in that there is no soap. So you can just spray this everywhere without concern for ground water, or any other complications soap might cause. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds potentially good, but when I wiki'd ozone it says it can be a health hazard. Hydrochloric acid also releases chlorine gas (toxic) when mixed with bleach (an everyday cleaning product, usually diluted with tap water). Could have unintended consequences - and personally I'm not a fan of the government adding anything to my water... |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Hydrochloric acid also releases chlorine gas (toxic) when mixed with bleach |
The amount of hydrochloric acid used is trivial. A very tiny amount per ton of water. I don't expect it would be enough to react with bleach. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
It is not the water, but the ozone, and it is not only for viruses.
| Dr. John Pittman wrote: |
| I know a number of cases of individuals with T-cell counts that have been very low, but because of regular ozone therapy they have not gotten any opportunistic infections. In fact, it's almost as though the ozone is taking the place of their immune system. Unfortunately, you often do not see rises in their T-cell counts, but you can see a stabilization and a management as a chronic manageable illness. It's my belief that the use of ozone in association with other complementary therapies can convert AIDS from a uniformly terminal illness to something that is chronically manageable, which is better than what anyone else can offer at this point. |
Many feel it to be the most promising, safe, and generally efficacious treatment for major degenerative diseases, from AIDS and chronic fatigue to cancer and arthritis. It's ozone - - medical ozone. Medical ozone differs from atmospheric ozone in that it is pure and concentrated. This is an important distinction because atmospheric ozone, produced from ultraviolet radiation, is combined with different nitrous oxide and sulfur dioxide products and is harmful. It's not used in medical practice.
Ozone (O3) is produced by the reaction of oxygen atoms (O) with molecular oxygen (O2)- This allotrope (different form) of oxygen possesses unique properties that, while they have yet to be completely defined and understood, have been benefiting clinical practice for years, albeit mostly in Europe. Most of the states in this country have yet to legalize use of the healing powers of this nontoxic molecule.
Of course lack of official acknowledgment within certain political boundaries in no way negates the properties of any natural substance, and that includes ozone. As a molecule containing an excess of energy, ozone manifests bactericidal, virucidal, and fungicidal action, which may make it a treatment of choice under certain conditions and an adjunct to treatment in others.2 Some of its characteristics and applications are described by Dr. Stanley Beyerle, a naturopathic physician who trained with some of the pioneers of ozone research and treatment:
http://www.garynull.com/documents/ozone.htm#1 |
Interesting. It says the ozone is administered in blood injections, not sure what would happen if it were ingested though. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
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| Hydrochloric acid also releases chlorine gas (toxic) when mixed with bleach |
The amount of hydrochloric acid used is trivial. A very tiny amount per ton of water. I don't expect it would be enough to react with bleach. |
Well it'd be nice to confirm how much. |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
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| Hydrochloric acid also releases chlorine gas (toxic) when mixed with bleach |
The amount of hydrochloric acid used is trivial. A very tiny amount per ton of water. I don't expect it would be enough to react with bleach. |
Well it'd be nice to confirm how much. |
Thanks for letting us know you didn't read the article..
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| 22 grams of hydrochloric acid to one ton of neutral water |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
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| Hydrochloric acid also releases chlorine gas (toxic) when mixed with bleach |
The amount of hydrochloric acid used is trivial. A very tiny amount per ton of water. I don't expect it would be enough to react with bleach. |
Well it'd be nice to confirm how much. |
Thanks for letting us know you didn't read the article..
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| 22 grams of hydrochloric acid to one ton of neutral water |
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Also how readily it reacts with bleach or other chemicals, how much chlorine gas could be produced, how toxic this could be etc.
Anyway, it basically seems like a good idea. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Many feel it to be the most promising, safe, and generally efficacious treatment for major degenerative diseases, from AIDS and chronic fatigue to cancer and arthritis. |
This is classic pseusoscience. Take something that has a very specific application and use and then just extend it out to just about everything. What do Arthritis, chronic fatigue and AIDS even have in common? What is the feasibility of this treatment working on such disparate illnesses? |
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