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Lolimahro
Joined: 19 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: Computer Science degree in Korea |
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My husband is thinking of switching industries and he wants to get a bachelor's degree in computer science (or closely related area). He's thinking of doing it while he's in Korea.
We were wondering what employers back in the States might think of a Korean IT degree? How are Korean universities reputed?
The opportunity to get this degree while we're in Korea seems very cost-effective compared to opportunities back home, but it'd be a real shame to be unable to get a job if no one will take the degree seriously.
If anyone has any input on this, thanks in advance! |
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ytuque

Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Location: I drink therefore I am!
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Computer Science degree in Korea |
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| Lolimahro wrote: |
My husband is thinking of switching industries and he wants to get a bachelor's degree in computer science (or closely related area). He's thinking of doing it while he's in Korea.
We were wondering what employers back in the States might think of a Korean IT degree? How are Korean universities reputed?
The opportunity to get this degree while we're in Korea seems very cost-effective compared to opportunities back home, but it'd be a real shame to be unable to get a job if no one will take the degree seriously.
If anyone has any input on this, thanks in advance! |
I was a computer engineer in the states for many years before I started teaching overseas. I worked with foreign engineers with degrees from all over the world. He will be able to get many job interviews based on having a degree from a Korean uni, but ultimately, it will be what he knows that lands him the job. No surprise there! A diploma from a Korean uni should be recognized in the US, and probably more so, a technical degree.
In addition, a Korean firm in the US would look favorably on a Korean uni degree especially if he picks up some Korean along the way. With Koreans, a diploma from a top school is key as has been stated so many times on this board.
I know a number of engineers and scientists here, so PM if you have any questions about specific schools.
BTW, your husband can work 20 hours during school and unlimited hours during breaks on a student visa. I know some students who paid for their school expenses tutoring English on campus, and some weren't even native speakers. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Not that it really matters, but he might be a bit old compared to his class-mates. At my uni almost all the students come straight from specialised science high schools (which only takes 2 years) so the undergrad students are generally very young. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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In the computer/IT industry, its pretty much what you know, not where you went to school. Many of the top programmers in the country never went to University.
How's your husband's math skills? Computer Science is VERY math heavy. Most CS majors double major in Math because its only a couple extra classes to get it.
If his math isn't as strong then maybe he can go into Information Systems. You still deal with programming, but its not as code/math heavy as Computer Science. It is a Business School degree, so he would also benefit from business classes. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
In the computer/IT industry, its pretty much what you know, not where you went to school. Many of the top programmers in the country never went to University.
How's your husband's math skills? Computer Science is VERY math heavy. Most CS majors double major in Math because its only a couple extra classes to get it.
If his math isn't as strong then maybe he can go into Information Systems. You still deal with programming, but its not as code/math heavy as Computer Science. It is a Business School degree, so he would also benefit from business classes. |
In the IT industry more importantly its who you know. IT managers and employees have hedged themselves in to protect themselves due to the massive fluxuation in employment after the dot com crash of the late 1990's. My advice - make some friends who work in or manage some IT ciompany and get some "dummies" books on whatever kind of stuff their business does. I have a CS degree. |
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Lolimahro
Joined: 19 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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He's actually interested in Networking and other Information Systems type stuff than actual programming. Not sure how his math skills are in reality - he claims he hates it and is bad at it, but he says that about a number of things that he's good at. I'm just concerned about funneling thousands of dollars into a degree that won't suit him (if we go back home) or possibly wasting four years on a degree he can't use once he gets back home.
He is thinking of applying to KAIST and maybe Seoul National. KAIST is our preferred choice, but his last degree wasn't math-heavy at all, and neither was his high school coursework, so I'm not sure how likely that is.
We understand that he's getting up there in years compared to other undergrad students, but I there's really not much of a choice. The ability to work part-time is also appealing.
Thanks for all the input! |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Lolimahro wrote: |
He is thinking of applying to KAIST and maybe Seoul National. KAIST is our preferred choice, but his last degree wasn't math-heavy at all, and neither was his high school coursework, so I'm not sure how likely that is.
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If he's going to take the CS at KAIST he has to do:
2 courses of calculus
3 courses of physics (one of which is a lab course)
2 courses of chemistry (one of which is a lab course)
1 course of biology
1 course of discrete mathematics
1 course of other mathematics (linear algebra, statistics and so on)
Taken from the 07/08 KAIST catalogue.
Other than that it's just computer science courses and research credits. Fortunately it seems like he can chose between easier and harder versions of the calculus and physics courses. I'm not quite sure how it works but it says you need either Fundamental Physics 1 or Advanced Physics 1 and so on. |
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DaeSung
Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Location: ����
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Don't want to sound too negative, and I've said this about other degrees from Korea in the past. Get a degree in Korea if you plan on staying in Korea or working there for a couple of years before you move (like 2 to 5 years after you graduate.)
I'm currently doing an MBA in the U.S. at a top tier university. Right now in the current job market in the U.S. a degree from Korea wouldn't even get looked at with out another degree from a school in the U.S. Heck one of my classmates did his undergrad in CS and has 3 years work experience for a major software company, is working on his MBA and he has a hard time even getting interviews. Sure 2 to 4 years from now it'll be a different story we hope, but you'd be better off getting a degree in the U.S. if you can.
A Korean kid at the community college I went to while in high school (AP classes) once said it this way. Even the crappiest community college in the U.S. is better than the best University in Korea. (I don't think this is 100% true if you want to work in Korea, but if you want to work in the states without some major work experience it seems accurate to me.)
I know that IT and CS might be a little different than an MBA, but I have colleagues and relatives that work in both IT and CS, a few of them have Masters degrees and they won�t be getting jobs for Google/Microsoft/Apple/Adobe any of the tech/software companies any time soon.
That�s just my two cents. Just my little motto but for me I always think if I can be successful in the U.S, I can be successful in Korea. On the other hand being successful in Korea has little effect on my success should I return back to the states. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Despite what the media and companies want you to believe, a CS or EE degree is no longer the ticket to guaranteed and high paying employment it was at the height of the boom. As someone mentioned, it's more who you know, not what you know. What you know might get you an interview and after that you better wow the guy, cause he's got tons of resumes in that drawer to choose from (I've been on the interviewer side a couple of times). Unless you really have a passion for computers and excelled at math in high school, I would go for different degree.
BTW I have an EE degree, after getting hired by a formerly big corporation, out of school, then being let go after the bust (the way they let us go was pretty sour). Then 3 years of getting a string of short term contracts, I decided the stress of getting new employment unbearable and decided to take it easy in Korea. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Why doesn't he work towards some certificates like MSCE or CCNA or Network+.... He can likely take the exams here. Spend his free time studying.
As somebody commented above many of the greats in IT are not the ones who went to Uni they are the ones who just do it. If he spent more time programming on his own he would have more to show and use in the future then a Korean degree that many business would likely not understand. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
Why doesn't he work towards some certificates like MSCE or CCNA or Network+.... He can likely take the exams here. Spend his free time studying.
As somebody commented above many of the greats in IT are not the ones who went to Uni they are the ones who just do it. If he spent more time programming on his own he would have more to show and use in the future then a Korean degree that many business would likely not understand. |
The certifications are pretty hard. The book to get Microsoft Certification is an thick as a New York City phonebook.
If the guy wants to do IT/Networking stuff then he should go into a Business School and get InfoSys. You'll get a couple programming classes, and you can concentrate your major to focus on networking, database, application development, etc...
I know people back home with an Infosys degree, without prior experience, and no referrals who get jobs doing IT. They work for small companies (50-100 employees max). There is no shortage of IT jobs there. From there you build experience and you learn. If you can manage the IT of small company, then you move up to a bigger one.
The biggest hurdle with IT is that you have to be constantly learning. You gotta stay on top of the latest programming trends/languages. 10 years ago HTML would get you a good job, but now you need to know CSS, Java, etc...
If your husband can learn, and program using Assembler language, he will have NO PROBLEM getting a job anywhere. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
If your husband can learn, and program using Assembler language, he will have NO PROBLEM getting a job anywhere. |
If he actually wants to become a good programmer, I suggest practicing at http://www.topcoder.com/tc . I know a company back home who would more or less hire anyone with a red rating on Topcoder for $100k+ a year with many supposedly earing $200k+ (or so they said at least). |
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Lolimahro
Joined: 19 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the really useful replies, everyone.
I think the main goal for my husband is for him to be able to have a job that interests him, not to make a huge salary. We just want to make sure he can get a job in it with the most cost-efficient education and training options we have available. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Lolimahro wrote: |
Thanks for all the really useful replies, everyone.
I think the main goal for my husband is for him to be able to have a job that interests him, not to make a huge salary. We just want to make sure he can get a job in it with the most cost-efficient education and training options we have available. |
In that case, I would go for certifications. He can get them faster and they mean can more than a degree.
For example, you have someone with a Computer Science degree. That says almost nothing. What programming language do they know? What have they worked with? What kind of projects have they done? You have no idea.
Whereas someone with a certification, the company knows EXACTLY what they are getting. Their is no question that you have the skills that they need.
The computer field is no cakewalk. There are times when things are slow. Everything is running smoothly and there are no worries. When something goes wrong, or some big project needs to be done, the stress goes through the roof. Time is your enemy.
I know the CIO at ADT, and his department just made a new ERP system. To make the system, all the coders in his department have been staying at work from 8am-2am Mon-Sat for the past 3 months. No joke. Many of them just slept at the office and didn't go home.
The project is finished and he says now they can relax.
I don't want want to scare you or your husband from that industry. IT manager is still one of the best jobs you can get. Just be aware that when things go wrong, you are looking at late nights, weekend work, or whatnot. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Lolimahro wrote: |
Thanks for all the really useful replies, everyone.
I think the main goal for my husband is for him to be able to have a job that interests him, not to make a huge salary. We just want to make sure he can get a job in it with the most cost-efficient education and training options we have available. |
In that case, I would go for certifications. He can get them faster and they mean can more than a degree.
For example, you have someone with a Computer Science degree. That says almost nothing. What programming language do they know? What have they worked with? What kind of projects have they done? You have no idea.
Whereas someone with a certification, the company knows EXACTLY what they are getting. Their is no question that you have the skills that they need.
The computer field is no cakewalk. There are times when things are slow. Everything is running smoothly and there are no worries. When something goes wrong, or some big project needs to be done, the stress goes through the roof. Time is your enemy.
I know the CIO at ADT, and his department just made a new ERP system. To make the system, all the coders in his department have been staying at work from 8am-2am Mon-Sat for the past 3 months. No joke. Many of them just slept at the office and didn't go home.
The project is finished and he says now they can relax.
I don't want want to scare you or your husband from that industry. IT manager is still one of the best jobs you can get. Just be aware that when things go wrong, you are looking at late nights, weekend work, or whatnot. |
Good observations pkang. The downside to the certification angle is the cost. I know from experience the people who pay the $$$$ for the expensive university prep courses have a way higher pass to fail ratio than those who simply take the test cold (the cheaper route). For most of us it would be impratical unless you're like my brother who works for an employer who foots all the bills (probably $80,000 in certification training and fee's thus far). I second your comment about assembler. I have always thought assembler is one of the more funner languages to work with. Kind of truly like learning a new language but way more profitable than C# or and of the other fad languages nowadays.
If the person in question wants to go the web route I would suggest starting your own business from scratch. I've had a few friends that have done this. Web is too competitive nowadays and the afforementioned keeping your skills up to date is multiplied by 10 when it concerns online ventures. Heck my skills were state of the art at the time I graduated. Now All I can do is hack and play games for free. |
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