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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse
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 Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: Is the sky falling? |
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Edited due to conflict of interests.
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Only true for E-2 teachers. There are enough newbies out there that they don't need an experienced teacher.
F teachers are doing as well as ever. Maybe even better. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| no you're not overreating. These kids are over here and convincing their facebook and myspace friends to come on over, too. when will it end is anyone's guess. I think the first thing that will happen is that they'll close the doors on new teacers so they dont have to pay the airfare and opt to interview/hire people already in the country (like Japan is doing now.) and second, they will eliminate most people as they can with degrees other than teaching. im relieved to say i fit both descriptions...you just have to be willing to accept the lower wages, or they WILL find someone else to take it. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
Only true for E-2 teachers. There are enough newbies out there that they don't need an experienced teacher.
F teachers are doing as well as ever. Maybe even better. |
Right.......the amount of F-visa teachers in Korea has been rising steadily since the mid-90's. There are many thousands of us now...........unless you're an E2 with an outstanding resume (M.A. TEFL, Ivy league uni etc), then F-2's will tend to scoop up the better jobs. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| BoholDiver wrote: |
Only true for E-2 teachers. There are enough newbies out there that they don't need an experienced teacher.
F teachers are doing as well as ever. Maybe even better. |
Right.......the amount of F-visa teachers in Korea has been rising steadily since the mid-90's. There are many thousands of us now...........unless you're an E2 with an outstanding resume (M.A. TEFL, Ivy league uni etc), then F-2's will tend to scoop up the better jobs. |
why is that? forgive me, but why are F type visa holders more desired? to save on airfare? no visa hassels? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
| BoholDiver wrote: |
Only true for E-2 teachers. There are enough newbies out there that they don't need an experienced teacher.
F teachers are doing as well as ever. Maybe even better. |
Right.......the amount of F-visa teachers in Korea has been rising steadily since the mid-90's. There are many thousands of us now...........unless you're an E2 with an outstanding resume (M.A. TEFL, Ivy league uni etc), then F-2's will tend to scoop up the better jobs. |
why is that? forgive me, but why are F type visa holders more desired? to save on airfare? no visa hassels? |
Because, from the employers POV, we have been 'vetted' by a fellow Korean (our spouse).
Apparently, if a Korean marries you, it makes you a respectable foreigner...... 
And the other stuff, like less chance of the teacher getting culture shock and running. Usually no apt needed. And what you say...no visa or airfare hassles and expenses. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Visa time, visa BS and nonsense, F teachers have usually been here longer, they are more stable, frequently have children and a better home life, simply take a housing allowance and deal with newbie issues themselves, etc etc.
The list of reasons is long.
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| eamo wrote: |
| BoholDiver wrote: |
Only true for E-2 teachers. There are enough newbies out there that they don't need an experienced teacher.
F teachers are doing as well as ever. Maybe even better. |
Right.......the amount of F-visa teachers in Korea has been rising steadily since the mid-90's. There are many thousands of us now...........unless you're an E2 with an outstanding resume (M.A. TEFL, Ivy league uni etc), then F-2's will tend to scoop up the better jobs. |
why is that? forgive me, but why are F type visa holders more desired? to save on airfare? no visa hassels? |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hotwire,
Yes, you are over-reacting.
Things ARE getting more competetive, certainly, but please back off of the hyperbole -- ESL teachers are not slaves, migrant workers, or even foreign 3d workers in Korea -- ESL teachers are paid a relatively high wage for safe work in safe conditions, are given many benefits that the ACTUAL 3d workers do not get. Comparing ESL teaching to the conditions that 3d foreign workers endure is insulting to the 3d workers.
Things ARE getting worse for ESL teachers in the current climate, but it is nowhere near as bad as you are claiming, and the exaggeration undercuts your point.
Yeah, suddenly you have to have something on the ball in order to get a good job -- maybe even to get an adequate job. Welcome to the current world economy. |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| thegadfly wrote: |
Hotwire,
Yes, you are over-reacting.
Things ARE getting more competetive, certainly, but please back off of the hyperbole -- ESL teachers are not slaves, migrant workers, or even foreign 3d workers in Korea -- ESL teachers are paid a relatively high wage for safe work in safe conditions, are given many benefits that the ACTUAL 3d workers do not get. Comparing ESL teaching to the conditions that 3d foreign workers endure is insulting to the 3d workers.
Things ARE getting worse for ESL teachers in the current climate, but it is nowhere near as bad as you are claiming, and the exaggeration undercuts your point.
Yeah, suddenly you have to have something on the ball in order to get a good job -- maybe even to get an adequate job. Welcome to the current world economy. |
I am on the ball! TEFL certified and 3 years public school experience with references!
And this year I am breaking my proverbial balls just to get a 2.1 hagwan gig in a rural area.
If that isn't a MASSIVE change, then what is?
From my point of view and others like me, it is not hyperbole. |
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fugitive chicken
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I've had a little bit of say in hiring my replacement for my school (GEPIK) and they truly don't want to pay anyone more than 2.3 mill. They prefer to go with the less experienced teacher so that they can pay them less. This has included turning down someone with an MA in ESL who would get paid far more if they worked as a teacher in their home country. |
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