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some waygug-in
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wintermute
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Thanks for that.
Kevin Trudeau, tellin' it like it is!
Respect to the man. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| Great interview. |
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proustme
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:12 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau
AIDS is a hoax, according to his Natural Cures book. I've got his entire ebook on my computer.
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21. Not Convinced That AIDS Is One Of The Greatest Hoaxes And Deceptions Ever Perpetrated On The American Public? Then Read:
� AIDS by Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. and John Yamouyiannis, Ph.D. (The good news is HIV doesn't cause it. The bad news is "recreational drugs" and medical treatments like AZT do.)
� Inventing the AIDS Virus by Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D.
� AIDS: What the Government Isn't Telling You by K. Steven Whiting, Ph.D.
� Infectious AIDS: Have We Been Misled? by Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. (A collection of thirteen articles originally published in scientific journals that call into question the dogma of infectious AIDS.)
� The AIDS War by John Lauritsen (Propaganda, Profiteering and Genocide from the Medical- Industrial Complex.)
� Do Insects Transmit AIDS? by Lawrence Miike
� Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS by Bryan J. Ellison and Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. (Greed, power, sex, and politics have combined to create the biggest SCAM in medical history: AIDS. But now, everything you thought you knew about this "deadly epidemic" is about to change...) |
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Another huge case which got virtually no press whatsoever was when a doctor, who was treating people through all-natural methods, was saying that his all-natural non-drug methods were curing people of AIDS. He was immediately sued by the FDA. The case went all the way to the New York Supreme Court and the doctor was found not guilty. It was proven that his treatments were more effective than those offered by any medical doctor, and he was using no drugs or surgery, only all- natural methods. Did you read about this in the newspapers? Of course not. Did you hear about it
on any of the TV news stations or radio news stations? No. Did you read about it in any major front page articles in magazines? Absolutely not.
Make sure you understand what I just said. A licensed health-care practitioner was curing people of AIDS without drugs and surgery. He was using all-natural methods. His cure rate was higher than anything that medical doctors could offer. He had a higher cure rate than anyone using drugs and surgery and had absolutely no side effects. This is a miracle. This man should be given a Nobel Prize. He was and is curing people of AIDS without drugs and surgery! This was proven to be true at the New York Supreme Court level. Why isn't this man and his methods front-page headline news all around the world? Why aren't his methods being employed all around the world to cure AIDS? His all-natural methods were proven in court to work better than any drugs and surgery! Doesn't this cause you outrage? Doesn't this cause you disbelief? Doesn't this cause you to be mad as hell?
The "powers that be" do not want his inexpensive all-natural AIDS cure known even though it was proven in court to work! The "powers that be" only want profits. This goes to the highest levels of government. |
Oddly, Trudeau doesn't publish the doctor/practitioner's name. Surely, AIDS is not a hoax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Cures_%22They%22_Don%27t_Want_You_to_Know_About |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| ^ whether any of the above is true or not (I'm sure not going to take wikipedia's word for it), do you support his 1st Amendment right being taken away from him?? |
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DIsbell
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| his "medical" advice should be censored because it's basically tantamount to shouting fire in a crowded theater, but otherwise he's entitled to his speech. media and industry criticism is important to our society. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| his "medical" advice should be censored because it's basically tantamount to shouting fire in a crowded theater, but otherwise he's entitled to his speech. media and industry criticism is important to our society. |
Ok, so you're for censorship, and against the 1st Amendment. That's good to know.
How many people who have bought his books (apparently he's sold millions of copies) have sued him? Did you even watch the interview?? |
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DIsbell
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| so I can go out and say that ingesting rusty nails will cure cancer in a book where I present myself as an authority? there's a difference between free speech and fraud. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| so I can go out and say that ingesting rusty nails will cure cancer in a book where I present myself as an authority? there's a difference between free speech and fraud. |
1) Sure, why not. As long as you don't force someone to do it.
2) You have not provided any evidence that his cures are fraudulent (wikipedia is bunk).
I repeat the question: how many of the people who bought his books have sued him? |
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DIsbell
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| how many AIDS victims have been cured by his methods? |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| his "medical" advice should be censored because it's basically tantamount to shouting fire in a crowded theater, but otherwise he's entitled to his speech. media and industry criticism is important to our society. |
I haven't watched the interview (and won't) and I don't know anything about the guy beyond his criticisms of the drugging of kids (Ritalin). If he is to be censored for his medical advice re: fire/theater, then we have some big problems. The snake oil etc doesn't come from obscure writers like KT but from pharm firms who push pills that do serious harm on people who don't need them. The scientific process has been corrupted by pharma/dsm/etc collusion. If you're unaware of this issue, don't reply but instead head to a bookstore and read up. Or, make a reference to some unrelated horrific event. |
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DIsbell
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: |
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as I said, I fully support criticism and investigation of the pharmaceutical industry (god knows us liberals hate dirty dirty corporations, right? and I'm strongly against medical patent laws), but this guy's flat out fraudulent claims on AIDS cures (not just saying "they" are hiding a cure, but he actually offers a cure that people can follow) are not related in any way to that.
stop acting like his snake oil AIDS cure is not exclusive from whatever else he may validly say. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| I'm comfortable with individuals dissenting from established opinion. That happens in an open society. The costs of closing the society are greater than the costs of leaving it open. The mature answer isn't "!CENSOR!" but to meet poor ideas with better ideas to win the battle of ideas. |
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DIsbell
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| the problem is that in some cases, for example those related to health and medical procedures, people die and/or go through great suffering. for those deaths and suffering to be brought on by deliberate and obvious fraud (keep in mind, Trudeau has been convicted of credit card fraud and is the recipient of numerous consumer complaints), that leaves the realm of free speech and healthy dissent and enters infringement. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
as I said, I fully support criticism and investigation of the pharmaceutical industry (god knows us liberals hate dirty dirty corporations, right? and I'm strongly against medical patent laws), but this guy's flat out fraudulent claims on AIDS cures (not just saying "they" are hiding a cure, but he actually offers a cure that people can follow) are not related in any way to that.
stop acting like his snake oil AIDS cure is not exclusive from whatever else he may validly say. |
I tried to google "Kevin Trudeau AIDS cure" and couldn't find anything. There is no link to the quote given by proustme.
What I gather is that he's claiming cures exist (not his own, but from other people), but are being covered up by the FDA and pharmaceutical companies (plausible), which is why they are attacking him and trying to ban all his material. If he is indeed claiming to have invented his own cure for AIDS, then I wouldn't believe him, but regardless he should not have his 1st Amendment rights taken from him. |
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