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Mikejelai
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Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: university hiring logic??? |
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Two guys are hired by a university in Seoul to teach the exact same courses. One has an MA in Applied Linguistics, 10+ years university teaching experience (6 of which are in Korea) with shining recommendation letters from all, and several publications under his belt.
The other guy has an MA in TESOL, a year of high school teaching experience, no university teaching experience, no publications.
Assuming two different salary offers, which of the two guys would you think would get the highest offer? Well, in this case guy number two did. The explanation given by the administration was twofold: 1) an MA in TESOL is better than an MA in Applied Linguistics, and 2) previous university teaching experience (and publications) are not taken into account when determining salary for foreign faculty members.
Anyone else aware of such logic being used by employers here in Korea? |
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air76
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Since when is there logic here?
Go to Germany if you want logic. |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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You left out too many important and deciding factors....
- who was taller, younger, fatter, which one can use chopsticks and eat kimchi?...does one of the hiring interviewers have a kid in a homestay in one or the other's country?...and ________________________. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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the logic could be that they could pay #2 less.
That's about it. |
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djsmnc
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Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Some may wonder what the logic is in having expansive credentials and still wanting to work under yearly fixed contracts with no opportunity for advancement or recognition. |
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Mikejelai
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| or the logic in bothering to reply to such postings...................... |
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air76
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:26 am Post subject: |
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I think that most university jobs (except for the highest level ones) in Korea have a set salary schedule and it is pretty normal that everyone starts at the same pay regardless of how much experience they've got....with some variations based on one's degree.
I am not saying that this is a fair or a good system, but it seems to be more the norm than schools negotiating different salaries with different professors based on their credentials.
There are plenty of schools that would give more money to a teacher with an MA and one year experience over a teacher with 10 years experience and no MA. |
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definitely maybe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| air76 wrote: |
I think that most university jobs (except for the highest level ones) in Korea have a set salary schedule and it is pretty normal that everyone starts at the same pay regardless of how much experience they've got....with some variations based on one's degree.
I am not saying that this is a fair or a good system, but it seems to be more the norm than schools negotiating different salaries with different professors based on their credentials.
There are plenty of schools that would give more money to a teacher with an MA and one year experience over a teacher with 10 years experience and no MA. |
Didn't read it that closely, did we?
I think the only relevant explanation, and it's only a possibility, is Hobophobic's. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| Some may wonder what the logic is in having expansive credentials and still wanting to work under yearly fixed contracts with no opportunity for advancement or recognition. |
This is it. The university jobs, many of them, are terminal for the most part. dead-end. You get a job and after the first year have to start looking for th next one.
My feeling also is that many Koreans, even Korean professors and university administrators, do not value higher degrees and publications among foreign instructors. Whether the candidate has a Ph.D., M.A. or B.A. is of no concern to them. They see the market as saturated with foreign English teachers who all do the same job - i.e., a B.A. will do just as good as a Ph.D and you can pay that person with the B.A. less. |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| Some may wonder what the logic is in having expansive credentials and still wanting to work under yearly fixed contracts with no opportunity for advancement or recognition. |
This is it. The university jobs, many of them, are terminal for the most part. dead-end. You get a job and after the first year have to start looking for th next one.
My feeling also is that many Koreans, even Korean professors and university administrators, do not value higher degrees and publications among foreign instructors. Whether the candidate has a Ph.D., M.A. or B.A. is of no concern to them. They see the market as saturated with foreign English teachers who all do the same job - i.e., a B.A. will do just as good as a Ph.D and you can pay that person with the B.A. less. |
Yep, and if you go through academic TESOL literature, you'll find that this has been an issue all over the world for years. The gripe in the US (since at least as far back as 1988 based on an article I read from then) is the fact that you're often stuck with part-time adjunct jobs that DO NOT even pay insurance. It's the nature of the biz. I can do uni for a little while, and for teachers with a good reputation, it is possible to hold on to jobs (albeit with not much of any kind of bonus) for years at a uni. I personally feel that I will be limiting myself by doing that, however. |
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