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bacasper

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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: Obama, like Bush, refuses to sign Landmine Treaty |
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Land Mine Treaty Won't Be Signed By Obama Administration
DESMOND BUTLER | 11/24/09 10:03 PM | AP
WASHINGTON � The Obama administration has decided not to sign an international convention banning land mines.
State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Tuesday that the administration recently completed a review and decided not to change the Bush-era policy.
"We decided that our land mine policy remains in effect," he said.
More than 150 countries have agreed to the Mine Ban Treaty's provisions to end the production, use, stockpiling and trade in mines. Besides the United States, holdouts include: China, India, Pakistan, Myanmar and Russia.
Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., criticized the State Department's review of the land mine policy as "cursory and halfhearted."
The senator described the decision to stand fast on the current policy as "a lost opportunity .... The United States took some of the earliest and most effective steps to restrict the use of land mines. We should be leading this effort, not sitting on the sidelines."
Human rights groups had expressed hopes that the Obama administration would sign the treaty.
Stephen Goose, the director of Human Rights Watch's arms division, said he was surprised by the announcement and called it disappointing. He said that his group had been pushing the administration to conduct a review of its policy but that the administration had given no indication that one was under way.
"If one was already completed, it was not very extensive," he said.
Kelly said that the United States would send an observer group of mine experts to a review conference on the treaty in Cartegena, Colombia, next week.
A report this month by the International Campaign to Ban Landmines found that mines remain planted in the earth in more than 70 countries and killed at least 1,266 people and wounded 3,891 last year. More than 2.2 million anti-personnel mines, 250,000 anti-vehicle mines and 17 million other explosives left over from wars have been removed since 1999, the report said.
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State Department spokesman Ian Kelly reportedly said.
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We made our policy review and we determined that we would not be able to meet our national defense needs, nor our security commitments to our friends and allies if we sign this convention. |
In a bizarre irony, a reason given for not signing the treaty is "commitment to our allies," yet Iraq and Afghanistan (plus just about every other country on the planet) have both signed on to the treaty! |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, like Bush, refuses to sign Landmine Treaty |
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bacasper wrote: |
[/]State Department spokesman Ian Kelly reportedly said.[/url]
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We made our policy review and we determined that we would not be able to meet our national defense needs, nor our security commitments to our friends and allies if we sign this convention. |
In a bizarre irony, a reason given for not signing the treaty is "commitment to our allies," yet Iraq and Afghanistan (plus just about every other country on the planet) have both signed on to the treaty! |
There's these two countries...North and South Korea. Maybe you've heard of them? South Korea is an ally of the U.S. But maybe you've heard about that too? Good good.
Now...for bonus points...what's buried in the land separating North and South Korea?
And anyway the U.S has not produced these anti-personnel landmines since 1997. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, like Bush, refuses to sign Landmine Treaty |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
[/]State Department spokesman Ian Kelly reportedly said.[/url]
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We made our policy review and we determined that we would not be able to meet our national defense needs, nor our security commitments to our friends and allies if we sign this convention. |
In a bizarre irony, a reason given for not signing the treaty is "commitment to our allies," yet Iraq and Afghanistan (plus just about every other country on the planet) have both signed on to the treaty! |
There's these two countries...North and South Korea. Maybe you've heard of them? South Korea is an ally of the U.S. But maybe you've heard about that too? Good good.
Now...for bonus points...what's buried in the land separating North and South Korea? |
Maybe you heard...BOTH North and South Korea have signed the treaty!
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And anyway the U.S has not produced these anti-personnel landmines since 1997. |
Then it is all the more bizarre that they won't sign now. |
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catman

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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Obama has also extended the Patriot Act.
See Neo-cons, he ain't that bad!  |
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young_clinton
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Mines that the USA use today shut down automatically after a time period. Even Howard Stern shock jock was saying the mines the USA uses today saves military lives |
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Gopher

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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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catman wrote: |
Obama has also extended the Patriot Act.
See Neo-cons, he ain't that bad!  |
By this logic, ditto for W. Bush, liberals...  |
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RufusW
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, like Bush, refuses to sign Landmine Treaty |
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bacasper wrote: |
BOTH North and South Korea have signed the treaty! |
Really? Source? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, like Bush, refuses to sign Landmine Treaty |
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bacasper wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
[/]State Department spokesman Ian Kelly reportedly said.[/url]
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We made our policy review and we determined that we would not be able to meet our national defense needs, nor our security commitments to our friends and allies if we sign this convention. |
In a bizarre irony, a reason given for not signing the treaty is "commitment to our allies," yet Iraq and Afghanistan (plus just about every other country on the planet) have both signed on to the treaty! |
There's these two countries...North and South Korea. Maybe you've heard of them? South Korea is an ally of the U.S. But maybe you've heard about that too? Good good.
Now...for bonus points...what's buried in the land separating North and South Korea? |
Maybe you heard...BOTH North and South Korea have signed the treaty!
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Actually no I haven't. And according to the sources I Googled, neither have done any such thing.
But if you have more up-to-date sources, why not post them? |
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Fox

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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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According to wikipedia, North and South Korea have not signed the treaty. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
According to wikipedia, North and South Korea have not signed the treaty. |
Oops! Never mind.
OK, N&S Korea haven't signed, but Iraq and Afghanistan have. My bad. |
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visitorq
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Land mines are a scourge on humanity and there is no good reason for them to be used at all. The US, Russia and others won't even sign the convention against cluster munitions (which are completely barbaric to use). I've traveled to Laos often, and there are places you can't go due to cluster bombs (dropped in the tens of millions during the Vietnam war), which continue to blow the limbs off children to this day.
Anyway, Obama has turned the Nobel peace prize he accepted into a sick joke. |
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ReeseDog

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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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visitorq wrote: |
Land mines are a scourge on humanity and there is no good reason for them to be used at all. The US, Russia and others won't even sign the convention against cluster munitions (which are completely barbaric to use). I've traveled to Laos often, and there are places you can't go due to cluster bombs (dropped in the tens of millions during the Vietnam war), which continue to blow the limbs off children to this day.
Anyway, Obama has turned the Nobel peace prize he accepted into a sick joke. |
Obama is a sick joke.
Had you ever the benefit of the extra minute or two of prep time before action gained by hearing one of the toe poppers you laid out the night before detonated by a member of a probing party, you might appreciate the feeling of security allowed by a mined perimeter. |
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Tiger Beer

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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing that some of the bases in and around Iraq & Afghanistan PROBABLY have landmines around them...?? I wonder.
Anyways...what are the repursions for breaking a treaty anyways? Most of these things are purely symbolic.
When it comes to actual war...then who knows who will do what. |
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ReeseDog

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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
I'm guessing that some of the bases in and around Iraq & Afghanistan PROBABLY have landmines around them...?? I wonder. |
Guarandamntee you that's the case. |
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