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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Korean Teachers Reply with quote

I'm teaching Korean English teachers, and some things I'd heard about public education in Korea are becoming more clear...

They don't do lesson plans, and if they have clear objectives in mind they can't articulate them (in English or Korean). We have them do plans for the practice teaching, and in the objectives section of it, they always simply write "reading, writing, listening, speaking" - no matter how many times we stress that having specific objectives are good.

Also, about the fourth time that different students stopped me to say they wanted me to do some activity differently, while I was in the middle of it, it dawned on me --- since they don't make lesson plans in their own classes and don't have well-defined objectives for what they want to accomplish in that day's lesson or that particular activity - it does not dawn on them ---- that I have specific reasons for why I'm doing something in my class and have specific goals in mind I want the class to reach and that I've planned those things out before setting foot in the classroom. --- It also dawned on me that this is a sign as well that they don't respect me as a teacher or consider themselves students when in the classroom...(I have 6 years of teaching experience, and I'm certified in English and TESOL in my home state, and I just completed a MA program in teaching English in secondary schools.)

If this were just happening with me, I'd have to consider that my activities and methods and/or objectives are weak....

....but this is common across the board for the foreign staff....

Don't get me wrong. The classes and students are a net good, and I'm glad I'm actually teaching this second go around in Korea.

But given the number of years of experience teaching I have sitting in my classes day to day (among all these veteran Korean teachers), I can't help being slightly amazed at the lack of consideration they have for planning themselves and lack of respect they have for the effort that the foreign staff puts into our own daily lessons and semester plans.

I'm working 45+ hours a week with most of that being prep time, much like I did in high school in the US, but they seem to think we do nothing much outside of class and that we can turn on a dime while in the middle of a class even to the point of doing things that head in a direction specifically opposite of what I have planned and the objectives I outlined at the start of that day's class....
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calicoe



Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply amazing. Thanks heaps for that post.
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sunnata1



Joined: 19 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regards to middle-school, I get the feeling my co-teachers simply start at the beginning of the text book and try to finish at the end of the year.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have specific reasons for why I'm doing something in my class and have specific goals in mind I want the class to reach and that I've planned those things out before setting foot in the classroom


I do too. However, we should go into the "teaching mode" with more general goals. This way, we can achieve one of our many goals and not put all our eggs into one basket. Instead of trying to match a specific lesson to a specific day, teach on a specific day and then apply the corresponding lesson.
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Kaypea



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the flexibility of the Korean classroom can be neat. Like, when I'm doing some vocab review, and the co-teach pause me and says, "Why don't you teach this?" and hands me a double-sided A4 with 4 pages of some conversation textbook conensed onto it, because the english teachers decided that morning to have the students memorize 4 dialogues for the test.

It's neat Very Happy It's like doing a demo lesson for a job interview, but without the pressure. How do you "teach" it? Hmm I guess it falls under "speaking" so I have them do choral repetition... I am a great teacher!

Actually, it seems like some of the younger teachers do lesson plans and activities, but the old-school way is just "study this or I'll hit you."

(I actually feel bad for these teachers, because I guess that's how they learned. Now, as far as they're concerned, "the students don't like to study." No, today's students need to be engaged and activated..)
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
However, we should go into the "teaching mode" with more general goals. This way, we can achieve one of our many goals and not put all our eggs into one basket. Instead of trying to match a specific lesson to a specific day, teach on a specific day and then apply the corresponding lesson.

So... you're saying I should walk into a gr. 2 boy's middle school classroom with an undefined goal for the lesson? My lessons are sequential - the vocabulary and grammar builds on the previous (they're doing review without knowing it).

Sorry... but without structure, at my school the inmates would be in charge of the asylum. They don't listen to, respond, or respect 'airy fairy' goals.
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do they do in Teachers College then?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:
What do they do in Teachers College then?

They learn that mixing soju & maek-jju is less expensive than mixing baek-say-jju, cognac (brandy) and 17-year-old scotch with maek-jju. Shocked Laughing
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Sorry... but without structure, at my school the inmates would be in charge of the asylum. They don't listen to, respond, or respect 'airy fairy' goals.


What I was saying was have 2 structures, not 1. If structure 1 works for you, great. However, if students want to do something else, you have to be prepared to change and adapt.

My students don't work in sequential fashion. In 6 years, I have yet to see a class of students progressing at the same pace. I usually teach 3 variations of one lesson: 1 to the average students, 1 to the lower level (usually just the same as the previous class since they are at a lower level themselves), and then I have to create something new for the advanced students so they aren't bored and disrupt the other students.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
What I was saying was have 2 structures, not 1. If structure 1 works for you, great. However, if students want to do something else, you have to be prepared to change and adapt.

My students don't work in sequential fashion. In 6 years, I have yet to see a class of students progressing at the same pace. I usually teach 3 variations of one lesson: 1 to the average students, 1 to the lower level (usually just the same as the previous class since they are at a lower level themselves), and then I have to create something new for the advanced students so they aren't bored and disrupt the other students.

Of course they don't progress at the same pace... they don't even come close to 'starting' from the same place. Out of 22 classes of 38 (average) students; in each class: five are soccer players my K co-teachers want me to leave alone to sleep - or excuse when they walk in and interrupt in the middle of a lesson. Six can't stop spinning their science text book on their index finger. Ten are punching the student next to them. Ten just stare and become parrots when they hear the word "everybody". Five are keen and want to learn and two have learned English from their educated Konglish-speaking parents since day one, go to the best academy money can buy and make the same fundamental mistakes over & over because they won't listen and their hogwan teacher doesn't have the balls to mark them down because their parents are rich and wong-jeong-nim-babo knows on which side his bread is buttered.

You're a better teacher than me - I aim for the five who will learn something.
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Henri



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I get the feeling my co-teachers simply start at the beginning of the text book and try to finish at the end of the year.


That's what I'm hearing from the few NSET here who have done public school gigs and from the Korean teachers themselves.

My strength is at being flexible in class in how I'm approaching that day's material and our long-term direction, but I know what my goals are and the material generally fits that goal and I only switch gears if the idea that comes to me in class seems more promising at that moment but reaches the same goal.

Over the years, I have developed what I call "punt" activities -- for when the class is just dead tired or my plan is simply dead in the water. The punt activity is something that I can pull out any time and get the students working on easily and has proven useful at both motivating the class and giving them some useful language practice or new material.

I can't use that here, because I'm not meeting these classes 5 days a week. I've only got them for 2 classes per week in short semesters - so I have to keep the focus on the overall course objectives. (It is also hard to establish a routine - which helps provide structure when your strength is flexibility....)

Again - overall, I'm happy with the Korean teachers I teach, but I've noticed some things like I mentioned before...
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iggyb



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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--- It also dawned on me that this is a sign as well that they don't respect me as a teacher or consider themselves students when in the classroom...(I have 6 years of teaching experience, and I'm certified in English and TESOL in my home state, and I just completed a MA program in teaching English in secondary schools.)


Well --- this was probably a misjudgment on my part, because they gave me good reviews for the last semester and on these specific points...

So, I guess it isn't so much lack of respect but even more just that it doesn't occur to them that I had clear reasons for doing things a certain way and that I won't change until I see a better pedagogical reason to change the method to achieve the same goal.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for middle or high school teachers, but what I've seen in elementary schools leads me to believe that they all follow set plans that they download or just read from the internet.

They have a teacher's site with set lesson plans for each subject/chapter of everything they do. They don't plan a thing, they just follow what they are told to do.

Partly due to the way they are shifted around every year, they may teach science one year and English the next.
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zipper



Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
They learn that mixing soju & maek-jju is less expensive than mixing baek-say-jju, cognac (brandy) and 17-year-old scotch with maek-jju. Shocked Laughing
You are a wise and clever man, sir! My hat tips for you. You have a fan. I have learned to just do what they want (the co-teachers and my dearest principal and VP) and harmony flows like Soju through my veins. Very Happy
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