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Chaucer



Joined: 20 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Beating a dead horse Reply with quote

I'm beating a dead horse perhaps, but I'll agree with couchsurfer that people have visited me in Korea have all loved it. Granted, they stayed with me, in my clean-ish apartment; I had a day off to take them to Bukhansan when we were in Seoul, to Seorak when I had more time; I got them USO tours of the DMZ, sent them to Bulguksa, etc.
BUT, when they got back from places I sent them, even though they met no one who really spoke English, they always said that Koreans were incredibly hospitable.

Conversely, or maybe it's the same thing, I loved Japan when I went there as a tourist. Yet I met foreigners complaining. So maybe the culture shock sets in after the euphoria of tourism wears off.
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: Beating a dead horse Reply with quote

Chaucer wrote:

Conversely, or maybe it's the same thing, I loved Japan when I went there as a tourist. Yet I met foreigners complaining. So maybe the culture shock sets in after the euphoria of tourism wears off.


There are 17-page threads on Korea versus Japan and having read many of them while albeit never *living* in Japan, I think its safe to say that foreigners in Japan enjoy a higher quality of life and are more content overall than foreigners in Korea. In my circle of friends teaching in both countries, my friends in Japan are much more likely to stay long term while my friends in Korea are much more likely to stay 1-2 years at the maximum.

Korea pays foreigners more money and gives them more freedom to the extent that you can eat out a couple times a day and party every weekend and still have a lot of money left over. Its easier to find a job in Korea and to keep it.

Japan treats foreigners more like human beings (just compare Visa rights alone between the two countries), is more orderly, is cleaner, is a lot more friendly, has a richer and more interesting culture, has better food, has more diverse entertainment options and is more "Westernized" than Korea. On the downside, it pays less and gives foreigners a lot more bureaucracy-related headaches. Japan is also less convenient than Korea to move about in.

Trade off, really.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EVERYTHING looks great for a bit. Even if you go to a third wolrd country, you'll be in awe of something. It's only after you stay a bit that culture shock starts to hit.

I mean, you are culture shocked when you arrived, in the honeymoon phase, so you're looking through life with rose coloured lenses, everything's perfect at the beignning.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can easily look at our countries and hate it, the people and all the BS with goes with it.. guess thats why we all chose to leave and make our home else where.. doesn't matter where you go in the world.. there is no such place as paradise.. just learn to live with it and make the most of it..
Korea is awesome compared to other places if you ask me..
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My honeymoon phase here in Korea....1 day. I dont kow, I guess if I met some cool people id be more apt to like this place. But it seems damn near impossible to talk to chicks here they wont even look at you for more than 1 second to get their attention.
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the whole people go to Japan because they have a Japan fetish.

On the whole people who go to Korea do so in order to pay off student loans.

It is not surprising that the people who go to Japan because they love it are happier than the people who go to Korea because they want to pay their student loans.

The few times I've met people who have a 'Korea fetish' they've been very happy here. Unsurprisingly.
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Tundra_Creature



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really enjoyed my semester here in Korea and really wanted to stay longer, but I know quite a few students who couldn't wait to leave and were just having a bad time for the last month or so.

Whilst of course I have a few gripes about the country (smoking and spitting habits), overall it was great. I was actually preparing myself to have an 'average' time there due to all the horror stories I heard, but it was really much better than I thought. Most people and friends that I met were very hospitable and helped me out even when I wasn't asking them for it.

My mom also came to visit in December and found people to be very helpful and kind with her. Hell, we went to visit the War Memorial and two Adjummas hugged her when I told them that her father fought in the Korean War. I don't mean any small hug either. It was a full out 'OH MAH GAWD' hug if that makes any sense. I had never seen that before.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do China and Korea compare?

Having been to both, I think Korea is more organised and cleaner, higher slaries as well, but you still will see the spitting, etc on the street.

CHina also seems to be prone to weird teachers as well.

Anyone else been to both?
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do couchsurfers just come and stay at someone's place? Man, this might be a chance for me to get my serial killing spree underway!
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
How do China and Korea compare?

Having been to both, I think Korea is more organised and cleaner, higher slaries as well, but you still will see the spitting, etc on the street.

CHina also seems to be prone to weird teachers as well.

Anyone else been to both?


I am presently working in China, though not in ESL. I agree with the OP's assertion that tourists see things through a different lens then those who live in a place.

I visited China three times before I came to live here. All three times I had a wonderful time and really enjoyed China and the Chinese people. Now that I live here, I can see the place more for what it really is. Though it isn't really that bad either.

Chinese aren't workaholics like Koreans are, so this has a bigger bearing on their society. They aren't as Confucius as Korea is either. It seems most people aren't under the hard society strains that Koreans are under. I can see this just in the way people dress. They can't afford to dress to impress like you see in Korea.

My place of employment is run by foreigners, but it is owned by the Chinese government. Due to this, we have a representative of the Chinese government who oversees my boss, though not in the way you would have in Korea. This guy is in a different part of town and only comes around once a month or so. I have never seen this guy wearing a suit. Always business casual clothes. If this were Korea, the guy would be wearing a VERY expensive suit to show his status as a superior in some way and how important his position is. He would also expect deep bows and lots of butt kissing due to his position. In China, that sort of thing doesn't exist from what I've seen. My boss doesn't do any butt kissing or bowing and scraping, nor is it ever expected.

One area where China can be a headache to work in, they are ALL ABOUT the bureaucracy. They have it ingrained that requests need to go through a lot of layers before becoming approved, and that process in itself is mind boggling. If you thought Korea was bad, they have nothing on China. China perfected the art of bureaucracy.
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the Chinese, on average, a lot easier to talk and get along with than Koreans. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Chinese don't have all of these expectations (good and bad), fears, anxieties or whatever like many Koreans do when meeting a foreigner.
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