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ashjj536
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: Price paid to recruiters by schools/hagwons |
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| I'm curious, about how much are recruiters paid for each teacher they place in a school/hagwon? |
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themagicbean
Joined: 04 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Varies but I hear the average is about 1M, probably more for high prestige/pay gigs, probably less for high volume gigs. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| My hagwon paid 1.5 mil. |
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jiberish
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: The Carribean Bay Wrestler
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| 1 mil seems to be the going rate from everyone I asked. Alot of the bigger companies do their own recruiting these days. I mean post the job on a few sites and make some calls. Not hard to do themself. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Another thing to remember is that the recruiter also has to wait a couple of months after they place a teacher. |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Recruiters have to place at LEAST one teacher into a school EVERY week - just to make the average 3 million a month...
* The recruiter cannot work as a recruiter unless they have purchased the government "recruiter licence" (expensive)
* The recruiter cannot work as a recruiter unless they have their own "office" (expensive) - they must prove this in order to be a registered business (recruiter)
* The have to pay 20% tax - which is what all Korean companies pay
* If there are any problems initially with the new teacher or their visa process - the school/hagwon does not have to pay
So even placing 5 teachers per month - leaves them with just a small-average salary of 3 million won/month |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Forever wrote: |
Recruiters have to place at LEAST one teacher into a school EVERY week - just to make the average 3 million a month...
* The recruiter cannot work as a recruiter unless they have purchased the government "recruiter licence" (expensive)
* The recruiter cannot work as a recruiter unless they have their own "office" (expensive) - they must prove this in order to be a registered business (recruiter)
* The have to pay 20% tax - which is what all Korean companies pay
* If there are any problems initially with the new teacher or their visa process - the school/hagwon does not have to pay
So even placing 5 teachers per month - leaves them with just a small-average salary of 3 million won/month |
if he wanted to do it legal! 80% of them don't!
the charge around 1- 1.5million..
but they also have to gaurantee the school the teacher wont run within 3 months.. if the teacher pulls a runner the recruiter has to replace the teacher free of charge,.. |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| The fee and services differ from recruiter to recruiter. I know of one who charges 1.2 and offers a full year guarantee against runners. And I know of another who charges 1.5 and offers a 3 month guarantee. |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Another newbie who knows everything.
| Forever wrote: |
Recruiters have to place at LEAST one teacher into a school EVERY week - just to make the average 3 million a month...
* The recruiter cannot work as a recruiter unless they have purchased the government "recruiter licence" (expensive) |
Wrong. The recruiters license costs around 30,000 to 50,000won from memory. That's real expensive  .
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| * The recruiter cannot work as a recruiter unless they have their own "office" (expensive) - they must prove this in order to be a registered business (recruiter) |
This is true. They do need a physical office to get a recruiters license and business license which are two separate things. Also, It's not very expensive to get an office. Around 2,000,000 to 10,000,000won key money and 150,000 to 400,000 a month rent depending on location and size. You just need to be willing to take the time to look around a bit and not take the first thing you see.
| Forever wrote: |
| * The have to pay 20% tax - which is what all Korean companies pay |
You have absolutely no idea about business in Korea. Not all companies pay 20% tax. In fact, most pay very little tax compared to our home countries and nothing even close to 20%
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| * * If there are any problems initially with the new teacher or their visa process - the school/hagwon does not have to pay |
Again, wrong. The school only doesn't pay if no teacher is placed there. The school can get a refund if the teacher doesn't work out for whatever reason but they can also usually choose to have the teacher replaced instead which is generally what the schools choose because it's quicker that way.
It also depends on the contract between the school and the recruiting company. They do vary between length of gaurantee given and recruitment fee amount. Most give a gaurantee of 1 to 3 months on the teacher placed of either money back or replacement teacher. For public school teachers, it's longer. They generally charge between 1 mil to 1.5 mil. Each company is slightly different.
Also, any decent recruiter would have double checked and verified everything to make sure there will be no visa processing problems.
Most of the time, problems can be solved and mediation used.
| Forever wrote: |
| * So even placing 5 teachers per month - leaves them with just a small-average salary of 3 million won/month |
Placing 5 teachers a month, in reality, will net them a nice chunk of change. Quite a bit more than 3 mil. |
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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I would argue that the high cost that is paid to the recruiter comes out of your salary. Where else would it come from? The boss' take? That is why I think it is preferable to not use a recruiter. You could negotiate for a higher salary since you could argue that the school didn't have to pay for a recruiter.
And in my experience, the schools that I went and visited for an interview that was set up by a recuiter have usually been a bit "off" in some way. |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
| Another newbie who knows everything. |
Wrong. Just because it says I joined this cafe recently - I may have lived half-my-life in Korea.
| BigBud wrote: |
They generally charge between 1 mil to 1.5 mil. Each company is slightly different.
Placing 5 teachers a month, in reality, will net them a nice chunk of change. Quite a bit more than 3 mil. |
1mil X 5 = 5 million then deduct cost of office, electricity, office building fees, advertising fees, travel fees, company tax, etc
Total profit per month = not that big after all - merely just an average salary |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| youtuber wrote: |
I would argue that the high cost that is paid to the recruiter comes out of your salary. Where else would it come from? The boss' take? That is why I think it is preferable to not use a recruiter. You could negotiate for a higher salary since you could argue that the school didn't have to pay for a recruiter.
And in my experience, the schools that I went and visited for an interview that was set up by a recuiter have usually been a bit "off" in some way. |
This is why my hagwon give people who resign a "raise" of 100,000. Really they are just saving the 1,200,000 that they would have given to a recruiter and giving it to you. They don't actually have to spend any more money. |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| whiteshoes wrote: |
| This is why my hagwon give people who resign a "raise" of 100,000. Really they are just saving the 1,200,000 that they would have given to a recruiter and giving it to you. They don't actually have to spend any more money. |
They are still spending the same money ( 100,000won X 12 months = 1,200,000won )
However, the Hagwon is just employing the same teacher who they already know and trust - rather than getting a new teacher who they don't know. |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Forever wrote: |
| BigBuds wrote: |
| Another newbie who knows everything. |
Wrong. Just because it says I joined this cafe recently - I may have lived half-my-life in Korea.
| BigBud wrote: |
They generally charge between 1 mil to 1.5 mil. Each company is slightly different.
Placing 5 teachers a month, in reality, will net them a nice chunk of change. Quite a bit more than 3 mil. |
1mil X 5 = 5 million then deduct cost of office, electricity, office building fees, advertising fees, travel fees, company tax, etc
Total profit per month = not that big after all - merely just an average salary |
Well, I've lived here over 8 years, own a hagwon, a recruiting company, and am an English teacher. I think I may know a little bit more about the subuject.
And all your said expenses are easily covered by a mil, actually less. That's 4 mil a month salary. Still better than your average foreigen English teacher in Korea. |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
| Forever wrote: |
| BigBuds wrote: |
| Another newbie who knows everything. |
Wrong. Just because it says I joined this cafe recently - I may have lived half-my-life in Korea.
| BigBud wrote: |
They generally charge between 1 mil to 1.5 mil. Each company is slightly different.
Placing 5 teachers a month, in reality, will net them a nice chunk of change. Quite a bit more than 3 mil. |
1mil X 5 = 5 million then deduct cost of office, electricity, office building fees, advertising fees, travel fees, company tax, etc
Total profit per month = not that big after all - merely just an average salary |
Well, I've lived here over 8 years, own a hagwon, a recruiting company, and am an English teacher. I think I may know a little bit more about the subuject.
And all your said expenses are easily covered by a mil, actually less. That's 4 mil a month salary. Still better than your average foreigen English teacher in Korea. |
So - you thought I was a newbie - because my ID says I joined in November 2009..
So shouldn't most people then "based on using your assumptions" think you have only been here 4.5~5 years - based on your ID ??
next time - don't jump to assumptions and accuse "Newbies of knowing everything"...
next.. I said "an average salary" - I DID not say an average "Foreign English teachers salary"
what is your next mistake going to be? |
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