|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
thematrixiam
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
|
 Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:24 am Post subject: Looking for someone with Photography skills and a DSLR Cam |
 |
|
Getting married Dec 19th - the ceremony at least. I'm already married
Looking for someone with a good camera -Digital SLR - and good camera skills. Only one will not make up for the lack of the other. Sorry, just being honest.
I want Digital so I can just get the RAW data off of you and use that to do my own printing/photo work.
If you think you fit the bill and are free on that day send me a PM.
Thanks. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
thematrixiam
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Still looking. It's in Korea, Bupyeong.
If that helps |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I want to start off by saying I am not criticizing, just giving my thoughts. I know a guy that does wedding photography and I met (don't really know) a guy that freelances for National Geographic. From what I have learned talking to them, it is unlikely that you are going to get a quality photographer to do what you are asking because:
1) Most photographers maintain copyright on their work. They do not want to give you the RAW files or permission to print, copy, or modify them in any way. If you pay significantly more than the usual going rate, then they might transfer the copyright to you.
2) Good wedding photographers charge upwards of $5,000 for a wedding (while maintaining copyright themselves). Then they may (or may not) charge you for prints made from their photographs.
Anyway, good luck finding what you're looking for. I am curious to hear what any professional photographers have to say about this. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Go to the Seoul Photo Club on Flickr and ask someone there. There are some really talented folks there that would be able to help you out. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thematrixiam
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Let's be specific so you don't confuse things here then.
I am looking for a nice guy, or girl, of any height or race. That can take photos of me and my wife with a D-SLR camera. They will be content to relinquish the data to me, and all copyright that is attached to said photos.
I don't want a professional who also makes money from developing prints. And thus wants to charge me extra for releasing the copyright so I change my mind and do the photofinishing with him/her.
I don't want a professional that feels the need to cling onto my wedding photos as a way to define themselves artistically, over personal needs, or control issues.
I want a guy, or girl, that has a camera. D-SLR. That knows how to use it. And will take the pictures and transfer the data to me with out any hassles.
If you are a professional photographer for the National Geographic that just happens to be in korea reading this forum.... AND you fit those qualities, great. we can talk... But most likely you're not. Most likely you are a simple man or woman who teaches English and does photographing on the side. If you also meet those qualities as stated above, I would also love to talk to you.
If however, you feel the need to suggest you are not going to do A , and then do A, I do not want to talk to you. If you haven't gathered, A = criticize. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I don't think you get it.
Be wary of a photographer who doesn't charge $5000 - you really get what you pay for. Do you honestly think someone dumb enough to stand around all day and shoot the event then give you all the RAWs will even know how to shoot it well?
Wedding photography is a SKILL. What you're doing is akin to some fly by night hagwon canvasing the Kansas City Craigslist page for a new English teacher - too cheap to pay for someone who went to a real school so they're looking for any old community college grad to cross the Pacific. No matter how good the hagwon is the source of that information is flawed and incapable. Just because you have some 'shooping skills doesn't mean you're gonna be able to get any good photos out of a mess of steaming crap you'll probably get from the "nice guy, or girl, of any height or race."
It's one thing to be thrifty - but you shouldn't cheap out on a wedding photographer. You'll never have a chance to get these photos again. Get 'em done RIGHT the first time. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pseudonym
Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Location: INSADONG, SEOUL
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm a photographer, and can only agree with the comments above. You get what you pay for, and if you want 'some nice person' to come and shoot your wedding reception for a few won then prepare to be disappointed with the results. Its very difficult to shoot indoors with low light conditions, multiple light sources all requiring specific white balance etc, so there's plenty of room for mistakes to be made.
Next time you need some accounts done, will you ask if some hobby-accountant would just pop round and do them for a few bucks? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thematrixiam
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Standing around all day is funny though... You do know this is a korean wedding right? Ever been to one? You're lucky if it lasts an hour.
For 5000 I can buy my own camera and give it to the Ajumma in the front row to take photos. Hell. I can buy one for 500. I've looked. Assah, I just opened the forum to more 'criticism'. Everyone's an expert at that here.
Simple... if you fit the bill, say so. You're likely to meet some new people, get some chow and free drinks as well.
Thank you for all your criticism. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| thematrixiam wrote: |
Standing around all day is funny though... You do know this is a korean wedding right? Ever been to one? You're lucky if it lasts an hour.
For 5000 I can buy my own camera and give it to the Ajumma in the front row to take photos. Hell. I can buy one for 500. I've looked. Assah, I just opened the forum to more 'criticism'. Everyone's an expert at that here.
Simple... if you fit the bill, say so. You're likely to meet some new people, get some chow and free drinks as well.
Thank you for all your criticism. |
Actually, I am an expert on photography related issues.
That kind of mentality is exactly what is plaguing the wedding industry today. Why do you think it costs so much now a days for a wedding photographer? It's because of all the amateurs flooding the market with their crap work. The talented professionals then have to do even more stuff to just get the account and have to charge more as a result.
Back in the day, they showed up, shot the wedding and delivered X amount of albums. They would usually be pretty good and better if you paid for it. Now a days its a crap shoot with these DSLR ads claiming you can shoot a wedding with a D60, 18-55/3.5-5.6 and a SB400 - well, you can't.
Let's start with the cheapest full-frame camera in Nikon's outfit - D700. Then lets add a 24-70/2.8, 14-24/2.8, a 70-200/2.8 and a 85/1.4, a pretty basic professional lets set up. Then we'll need at least 3 or 4 SB900 strobes, stands, backdrops, colored gels, random props, memory cards, chargers and lunch and you've got a, very conservative, $15,000 entry fee to get into the business. As you're ignoring processing I won't add in the cost of an extremely expensive computer, printer, paper and contracts with album making services.
Let's assume this photographer wants to make the bare minimum more than what he made working at Taco Bell and he wants to pay off his equipment within the year then we're looking at, oh, minimum of $2000 per wedding, assuming he can swing a wedding a month (a tall order for a beginner).
Edit:
Besides, there's still only one really important reason to have a professional. THIS WEDDING ONLY HAPPENS ONCE AND IF YOU SCREW THIS UP YOUR WIFE WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU. Your children will never have a decent record of the events. Your children's children will never have a decent record of events. You're basically just hoping that a couple crappy 5x3's will be enough to satisfy the annuls of history. Not good enough. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thematrixiam
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh that was nice.
You have been to a korean wedding right?
They have no lights, props, drops, gels etc.
You're lucky if they have a second lens they can switch to.
I don't want a photo that has a purple backdrop and a twinkling flare in the top right corner, with my face turned 2/8ths inward.
The koreans wont give me that, why would I ask someone here to do that?
Nor would I dream of putting that on my wall. Gross.
My parents don't have a ModEdit load of wedding photos. and I do not care about the record of their event. not sure why you need to bring my future kids and grand-kids into this. if I have them... but tis this life of forum battles I guess. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| nosmallplans wrote: |
| thematrixiam wrote: |
Standing around all day is funny though... You do know this is a korean wedding right? Ever been to one? You're lucky if it lasts an hour.
For 5000 I can buy my own camera and give it to the Ajumma in the front row to take photos. Hell. I can buy one for 500. I've looked. Assah, I just opened the forum to more 'criticism'. Everyone's an expert at that here.
Simple... if you fit the bill, say so. You're likely to meet some new people, get some chow and free drinks as well.
Thank you for all your criticism. |
Actually, I am an expert on photography related issues.
That kind of mentality is exactly what is plaguing the wedding industry today. Why do you think it costs so much now a days for a wedding photographer? It's because of all the amateurs flooding the market with their crap work. The talented professionals then have to do even more stuff to just get the account and have to charge more as a result.
Back in the day, they showed up, shot the wedding and delivered X amount of albums. They would usually be pretty good and better if you paid for it. Now a days its a crap shoot with these DSLR ads claiming you can shoot a wedding with a D60, 18-55/3.5-5.6 and a SB400 - well, you can't.
Let's start with the cheapest full-frame camera in Nikon's outfit - D700. Then lets add a 24-70/2.8, 14-24/2.8, a 70-200/2.8 and a 85/1.4, a pretty basic professional lets set up. Then we'll need at least 3 or 4 SB900 strobes, stands, backdrops, colored gels, random props, memory cards, chargers and lunch and you've got a, very conservative, $15,000 entry fee to get into the business. As you're ignoring processing I won't add in the cost of an extremely expensive computer, printer, paper and contracts with album making services.
Let's assume this photographer wants to make the bare minimum more than what he made working at Taco Bell and he wants to pay off his equipment within the year then we're looking at, oh, minimum of $2000 per wedding, assuming he can swing a wedding a month (a tall order for a beginner).
Edit:
Besides, there's still only one really important reason to have a professional. THIS WEDDING ONLY HAPPENS ONCE AND IF YOU SCREW THIS UP YOUR WIFE WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU. Your children will never have a decent record of the events. Your children's children will never have a decent record of events. You're basically just hoping that a couple crappy 5x3's will be enough to satisfy the annuls of history. Not good enough. |
I think people who are too 'into' something shouldn't assume everyone else is. In this case, the 'thing' being photography.
At my wedding I did have a professional photographer (not the $5k kind though), and also a friend with a nice camera took some pictures. The photos the friend took were great in my and my wife's opinion. Didn't need the pro really. They are probably not YOUR idea of great, but for 95% of the population they would be. I suspect these are the kinds of photos the OP wants.
I think the OP's request is perfectly valid and I hope he finds someone willing to take some photos. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Sounds like you go to cheap weddings.
Honestly I don't even consider a 'Korean wedding' to be the real deal. If I marry a Korean girl I'd rather shoulder the extra cost of shipping her entire extended family back to the 'States and do it properly.
Sorry if I was trying to be optimistic. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Sorry, I must have misunderstood what you were looking for. I guess somebody will be willing to do you a favor like this. Good luck and congratulations on your marriage. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
thematrixiam
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
| nosmallplans wrote: |
Sounds like you go to cheap weddings.
Honestly I don't even consider a 'Korean wedding' to be the real deal. If I marry a Korean girl I'd rather shoulder the extra cost of shipping her entire extended family back to the 'States and do it properly.
Sorry if I was trying to be optimistic. |
i do like cheap weddings. I think most weddings a largely a waste of money.
even the ring itself. Waste of money. That's my personal view.
The best wedding I went to was at my buddy Zack's parent's house where he got married, by his father. Had a homemade Gazebo. Some chairs, potluck, BYOB. And a friend of the Family doing the photos. cheap, and nice. It did the job, people were happy. And money didn't go into someone's pocket who' sole purpose is to get that money in there.
How does hoping I wanted to spend a ModEdit of money make you optimistic? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
| It's not the money - if you can find someone who can do good work for less than by all means do it. What I find to be a bad idea is to just let any schmuck with a camera attempt to shoot a particularly special day. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
