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Korussian
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 Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject: They insist "Being Feeling Tired..." is correct. |
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My co-teachers, whose grammar is usually excellent, are all insisting that one of the test answers is grammatically correct, and can be said in English. I say it's not.
Here's the sentence:
"Being feeling tired, I went to bed early."
They insist that this is just a version of the sentence "As I was feeling tired, I went to bed early". They say that since the latter is grammatically correct, you can rearrange it to form the former, following the grammar rules from the textbook chapter.
I think that "Being feeling tired" is redundant (don't need "being"), and sounds grammatically incorrect. However, they're the kings/queens of grammar, and I am not.
Your quick & kind assistance would be most appreciated (especially if I'm wrong).
Thanks! |
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wormholes101
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Feeling tired OK
Being tired OK
Being feeling tired  |
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Korussian
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| wormholes101 wrote: |
Feeling tired OK
Being tired OK
Being feeling tired :?: |
Thanks for your quick response! That was my sense as well, but could someone please point out the grammar that governs this?
Thanks again! |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Was that part of a question or part of an answer? If it was part of the question just agree with it. I've been in this situation before, and the teacher who wrote the question won't give up until you agree with her. She is probably getting massive grief from the a few students who can actually speak english and she will need the foreign teacher to back her up in order that she won't lose face.
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Chet Wautlands
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| It's wrong. |
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Korussian
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| What that part of a question or part of an answer? If it was part of the question just agree with it. I've been in this situation before, and the teacher who wrote the question won't give up until you agree with her. She is probably getting massive grief from the a few students who can actually speak english and she will need the foreign teacher to back her up in order that she won't lose face. |
That phrase was one of the answers. Students haven't discovered it yet - it was brought up by one of the co-teachers. Even she's not sure that it's a grammar problem.
They don't need my backup yet, but it might come to that ;) |
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Korussian
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| Chet Wautlands wrote: |
| It's wrong. |
Thanks for the input! If you can explain why, it would be much appreciated, as I'm at a loss, grammatically. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| What that part of a question or part of an answer? If it was part of the question just agree with it. I've been in this situation before, and the teacher who wrote the question won't give up until you agree with her. She is probably getting massive grief from the a few students who can actually speak english and she will need the foreign teacher to back her up in order that she won't lose face. |
That phrase was one of the answers. Students haven't discovered it yet - it was brought up by one of the co-teachers. Even she's not sure that it's a grammar problem.
They don't need my backup yet, but it might come to that  |
Did a large number of students come up with that answer? A huge number at my school are using the word ever incorrectly on exam answers. eg "I have ever listened to Wondergirls." Someone has obviously taught them to use this instead of "always". If it's only on one exam, just let it slide. |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| double gerund. do they claim the first gerund governs the second? |
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blackjack
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| both being and feeling share the same purpose/meaning in that sentence so one is redundant. Plus two gerunds in a row |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| I just spent 20 minutes explaining the difference between a hamburger and a piece of bread. The teacher couldn't get his head around why you can say "I ate a hamburger." but not "I ate a bread." He didn't seem to understand the concept of a hamburger. |
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Korussian
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Boodleheimer wrote: |
| double gerund. do they claim the first gerund governs the second? |
| Blackjack wrote: |
| both being and feeling share the same purpose/meaning in that sentence so one is redundant. Plus two gerunds in a row |
Thanks folks! That looks like a great answer, and it seems to have appeased my co-teachers.
Cheers! |
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T-J
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: They insist "Being Feeling Tired..." is correc |
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| Korussian wrote: |
"Being feeling tired, I went to bed early."
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be + ing in this case is a participle (분사) and not a verb (동사)
| Korussian wrote: |
They insist that this is just a version of the sentence
"As I was feeling tired, I went to bed early".
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In this case was is the past tense of to be (be 동사 과거형) and necessary in the progressive tense(진행형).
| Korussian wrote: |
They say that since the latter is grammatically correct, you can rearrange it to form the former, following the grammar rules from the textbook chapter.
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Apples and Oranges. |
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Korussian
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: They insist "Being Feeling Tired..." is correc |
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| T-J wrote: |
| Korussian wrote: |
"Being feeling tired, I went to bed early."
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be + ing in this case is a participle (분사) and not a verb (동사)
| Korussian wrote: |
They insist that this is just a version of the sentence
"As I was feeling tired, I went to bed early".
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In this case was is the past tense of to be (be 동사 과거형) and necessary in the progressive tense(진행형).
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They say that since the latter is grammatically correct, you can rearrange it to form the former, following the grammar rules from the textbook chapter.
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Apples and Oranges. |
Surely you hit the nail on the head here. Thanks very much! |
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lifeinkorea
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I don't understand what T-J wrote until they said "apples and oranges". Sorry if I repeat the same thing. However, it will be from a different viewpoint.
They seem to be mixing 2 meanings/uses of a word and not realizing it.
WRONG USE "Being feeling tired, I went to bed early."
SAME USE "As I was feeling tired, I went to bed early."
CORRECT "Feeling tired, I went to bed early."
They (the teachers) should study -ed adjectives http://www.iei.uiuc.edu/structure/Structure1/partadjs.html
And here is one with Korean (hopefully it reflects what is in the English)
http://ggoogi.goanygate.com/en/giui/the-infinitive-and-ing/65-ing-phrases
The real intended use should focus on reasoning, using the word because, not equating two things with the word as.
"BECAUSE I was tired, I went to bed early." |
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