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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: verb tense question |
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I have a question about the verb tense in the following sentence that was written by a native speaker.
In 2009, researchers at the University of Ohio in the US have developed a method to use DNA to create microchips that are more energy efficient.
Shouldn't "have developed" be "developed" because of the time reference (In 2009)?
Thanks if you can confirm this. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: |
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It's a matter of style. Two thousand and nine is still the recent past and so would qualify for use in perfect tense. Studying a single sentence out of context though really wouldn't tell you which form has better 'ear.' |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: |
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2009 isn't an exact time either, if it had said on June 5th, 2009 then I would agree with you.
It's just saying sometime during that year, so the perfect tense is perfectly acceptable. |
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DomesticPelican
Joined: 25 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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There is no University of Ohio.
There is an Ohio State University and an Ohio University (my Alma Mater)
I would think that the "have" is unnecessary in the sentence. |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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The only kind of situation where that kind of sentence would seem appropriate to me would be if the article/whatever was supposed to be read something ongoing or as part of a series. For example:
"New developments in computer science take place all the time. Last year, they made chips tinier. In 2009, researchers have developed...."
or in response to a question/query/thesis:
-"What have they done this year?"
-"Well, in 2009, they have developed a method...."
It would sound less awkward if you threw in a few adverbs (have already developed, have recently developed, etc.) |
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thecount
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: verb tense question |
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raewon wrote: |
I have a question about the verb tense in the following sentence that was written by a native speaker.
In 2009, researchers at the University of Ohio in the US have developed a method to use DNA to create microchips that are more energy efficient.
Shouldn't "have developed" be "developed" because of the time reference (In 2009)?
Thanks if you can confirm this. |
Taking a shot at this, "2009" is vague enough that I would not consider it recent past.
In a news format, the tense would be fine. It would very likely be used in conjunction with a list of other years/facts, with the tense acting to distance the reader when it came full-circle "...and in 2009, scientists have done this!"
I do not see much use for it outside of the press room, though.
That said, if there is no "University of Ohio," that would constitute a fact-error, which is the biggest no-no a journalist can commit.
On any sans-byline reading, I would side with dropping the "have."
Also, I would personally change "to use DNA" to "of using DNA."
"Developed a method of using DNA to..." is a superior construction.
It's 3 a.m. over here, so feel free to dismiss these as the comments of a sleep-typing man. |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: |
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thecount, I tend to agree with you, that construction seems most likely to appear from a journalist.
Also, the phrase "superior construction" made me giggle, and your name made your post seem to come from a purple puppet with a stereotypical Transylvanian accent. Which really, is how all posts should be read. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: Re: verb tense question |
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raewon wrote: |
I have a question about the verb tense in the following sentence that was written by a native speaker.
In 2009, researchers at the University of Ohio in the US have developed a method to use DNA to create microchips that are more energy efficient.
Shouldn't "have developed" be "developed" because of the time reference (In 2009)?
Thanks if you can confirm this. |
Either "have developed" or "developed" could be correct. It depends on context.
This is another bad test question, unless you put it in context. |
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thecount
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Reisen, I must admit that he was my most beloved Sesame Street character.
When I found out, two decades later, that he was foulmouthed (search "The Count Censored" on Youtube), I realized why.
Also, your name reminds me of Wise Guys
(http://www.graces-cafe.net/forum/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=119)
Try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivHcbxAtkZ4 is the first link isn't available in your region  |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Woooow Wise Guys is great.
This is where my name actually comes from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-dpBIxIg0
"Wenn ich rastlos bin,
bist du die Reise ohne Ende"
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"When I am restless,
You are the endless journey"
Anyway I will hijack no longer ^^ |
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