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raewon



Joined: 16 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: verb tense question Reply with quote

I have a question about the verb tense in the following sentence that was written by a native speaker.

In 2009, researchers at the University of Ohio in the US have developed a method to use DNA to create microchips that are more energy efficient.

Shouldn't "have developed" be "developed" because of the time reference (In 2009)?

Thanks if you can confirm this.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a matter of style. Two thousand and nine is still the recent past and so would qualify for use in perfect tense. Studying a single sentence out of context though really wouldn't tell you which form has better 'ear.'
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2009 isn't an exact time either, if it had said on June 5th, 2009 then I would agree with you.

It's just saying sometime during that year, so the perfect tense is perfectly acceptable.
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DomesticPelican



Joined: 25 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no University of Ohio.

There is an Ohio State University and an Ohio University (my Alma Mater) Cool



I would think that the "have" is unnecessary in the sentence.
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Reise-ohne-Ende



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only kind of situation where that kind of sentence would seem appropriate to me would be if the article/whatever was supposed to be read something ongoing or as part of a series. For example:

"New developments in computer science take place all the time. Last year, they made chips tinier. In 2009, researchers have developed...."

or in response to a question/query/thesis:

-"What have they done this year?"
-"Well, in 2009, they have developed a method...."

It would sound less awkward if you threw in a few adverbs (have already developed, have recently developed, etc.)
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thecount



Joined: 10 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: verb tense question Reply with quote

raewon wrote:
I have a question about the verb tense in the following sentence that was written by a native speaker.

In 2009, researchers at the University of Ohio in the US have developed a method to use DNA to create microchips that are more energy efficient.

Shouldn't "have developed" be "developed" because of the time reference (In 2009)?

Thanks if you can confirm this.


Taking a shot at this, "2009" is vague enough that I would not consider it recent past.

In a news format, the tense would be fine. It would very likely be used in conjunction with a list of other years/facts, with the tense acting to distance the reader when it came full-circle "...and in 2009, scientists have done this!"

I do not see much use for it outside of the press room, though.
That said, if there is no "University of Ohio," that would constitute a fact-error, which is the biggest no-no a journalist can commit.

On any sans-byline reading, I would side with dropping the "have."

Also, I would personally change "to use DNA" to "of using DNA."

"Developed a method of using DNA to..." is a superior construction.

It's 3 a.m. over here, so feel free to dismiss these as the comments of a sleep-typing man.
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Reise-ohne-Ende



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecount, I tend to agree with you, that construction seems most likely to appear from a journalist.

Also, the phrase "superior construction" made me giggle, and your name made your post seem to come from a purple puppet with a stereotypical Transylvanian accent. Which really, is how all posts should be read.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: verb tense question Reply with quote

raewon wrote:
I have a question about the verb tense in the following sentence that was written by a native speaker.

In 2009, researchers at the University of Ohio in the US have developed a method to use DNA to create microchips that are more energy efficient.

Shouldn't "have developed" be "developed" because of the time reference (In 2009)?

Thanks if you can confirm this.



Either "have developed" or "developed" could be correct. It depends on context.

This is another bad test question, unless you put it in context.
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thecount



Joined: 10 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reisen, I must admit that he was my most beloved Sesame Street character.
When I found out, two decades later, that he was foulmouthed (search "The Count Censored" on Youtube), I realized why.

Also, your name reminds me of Wise Guys
(http://www.graces-cafe.net/forum/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=119)

Try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivHcbxAtkZ4 is the first link isn't available in your region Sad
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Reise-ohne-Ende



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woooow Wise Guys is great. Smile

This is where my name actually comes from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-dpBIxIg0
"Wenn ich rastlos bin,
bist du die Reise ohne Ende"
=
"When I am restless,
You are the endless journey"

Anyway I will hijack no longer ^^
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