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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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 Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: Is the food industry slowly killing us ...? |
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(... with the help of modern "scientific" technology, of course.)
This featured Yahoo article touches the tip of the ice berg, I think...
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/the-7-foods-experts-wont-eat-547963/
According to those (and many other) nutritional experts, everything from regular milk to non-organic potatoes to corn-(and chicken manure) - fed beef to conventional apples to microwave popcorn to canned tomatoes are causing varieties of terminal diseases.
I think that lack of respect for all forms of life underlies the massive use of pesticides, fungicides, herbacides - and all the abuses of the meat and dairy industries.
Science and society needs to have a basic respect for all forms of life, or else nature will exact its revenge to all the environmental contamination caused by ignorant/greedy humans and corporate interests.
The cost of doing business should always seriously consider harm to the environment - and all the life it supports. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| The answer is yes. We basically eat s--t, and unless you have money to afford healthy, organic foods, or are able to grow your own (impossible if you live in a big city), then there's not much to do about it... Most of us will die from cancer. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Our life expectancy is longer than basically any other time in history. So the answer is no.
I think its important to respect the environment but also that modern science is the reason why so many of us can live for so long on this planet.
As regards to the potatoes..I grew up near potato farms that were sprayed. they do sprout if you leave them in a closet.
I don't see the benefit of organic farming. It is just a great way to extract money from rich people. Conventional farming and GM food is the reason why there are 6 billion people on this planet.
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Our life expectancy is longer than basically any other time in history. So the answer is no. |
Because our medical technology is better. You're still probably going to die of cancer, however. It's not because we're living longer, it's because we're unhealthier. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Is the food industry slowly killing us ...? |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Science and society needs to have a basic respect for all forms of life, or else nature will exact its revenge to all the environmental contamination caused by ignorant/greedy humans and corporate interests. |
This is ridiculous. Nature isn't some sentinent, vengeful entity, and respect is a purely human concept. Chemicals on popcorn that might cause harm in the long term aren't some mystical revenge being taken upon us by nature, it's just basic chemistry. |
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ED209
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TNizzle
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: Seoul via: Indiana
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Not buying it...just another way for them to tax us... |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Is the food industry slowly killing us ...? |
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That's the future. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm willing to eat cultured meat if it is proven to be delicious and side-effect free. I'm sure PETA will still whine about animal exploitation. "The genetic material of animals is not ours to exploit!" Organizations like that are a perfect example of a never-ending crusade. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| I'm willing to eat cultured meat if it is proven to be delicious and side-effect free. |
Ah, "proven".
I'll wait 30 years thank you very much to be sure about that.
Now go take your H1N1 shot Mr. Fox. They say it's good for ya! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| I'm willing to eat cultured meat if it is proven to be delicious and side-effect free. |
Ah, "proven".
I'll wait 30 years thank you very much to be sure about that.
Now go take your H1N1 shot Mr. Fox. They say it's good for ya! |
Why would I need an H1N1 shot? I never get a shot for normal flu. H1N1 isn't really that much worse. Of course, not taking it because I don't need it is quite different than not taking it because I have a paranoid fear of it.
Be sure not to take your H1N1 shot, VanIslander. Who knows what it could do to you? It's not like vaccines are very basic, tried and true medical practice after all. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Fox wrote: |
| Be sure not to take your H1N1 shot, VanIslander. Who knows what it could do to you? It's not like vaccines are very basic, tried and true medical practice after all. |
All vaccines are created equal eh. No difference between decades-old measles shots and the H1N1. Same-same.
Cultured meat, H1N1 vaccines and any other consumable created, tested and used for only a few months or couple of years is by no means "proven" safe. Unless the risk of death is high instead of low, I'll pass on the scientific fads and breakthroughs, thanks very much.
Conversely, I'm not eating any canned tomatoes any more. I'll stick to fresh, preferably local and "organic" (though gawd knows what that means, the term has been so overused and abused). |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually looking at that list of foods again, the only ones I eat with any meaningful frequency at all are corn-fed beef and farm-raised salmon, both of which sound fine in moderation. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but don't forget that "chicken manure" that gets mixed-in with the corn that's fed cattle.
As far as nature being sentient or not, life is always sentient (to varying degrees) while dead bodies and inorganic matter are not.
As we can control (to a large extent) lower forms of life, it's reasonable to assume that there may be higher forms of life that can control us by adjusting variables that may be beyond our ability to comprehend.
And the laws of karma are said to be extremely intricate.
It's also reasonable to expect that higher forms of life might get pissed off when we unnecessarily mess with nature (and maybe shower down uric acid rain ...  ) |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| As far as nature being sentient or not, life is always sentient (to varying degrees) while dead bodies and inorganic matter are not. |
This is an unproven article of faith. Why can't you just present the science without tainting it with your cult teachings?
| Rteacher wrote: |
| And the laws of karma are said to be extremely intricate. |
Not by anyone worth believing. Karma almost assuredly doesn't even exist.
| Rteacher wrote: |
| It's also reasonable to expect that higher forms of life might get pissed off when we unnecessarily mess with nature (and maybe shower down uric acid rain ... ) |
Prove higher forms of life than us exist and maybe this concern will be worth taking seriously. And I mean actual proof, not heresay. |
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