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NCdan



Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Creative discipline Reply with quote

I've been getting darn tired of having no real authority in my classroom due to my institute not letting teachers have any authority, so I've decided to start creatively disciplining my kids. There are two boys in my main class who always are fighting, arguing, saying how much they hate each other, etc... I just couldn't take it anymore today, so I grabbed one of the TKD belts that never gets used and tied them together while hugging each other for about three minutes. They were screaming most of the time, and one of the kids threatened to punch the other children once I released him, but after about 5 minutes he started to behave perfectly and did so the rest of class. Did I finally break the little monster?

So, I'm curious to know what other creative disciplinary measures you have come up with that have worked well. Sticker charts, candy, dividing the class up in to teams and what not is only so effective.
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kiknkorea



Joined: 16 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too creative, but I put troublemakers on clean up duty.

If they misbehave, they get to stay and sweep, straighten the desks, etc.

It works best to wait until the class lines up to make them start. That way while everyone else is on the way home, they're stuck cleaning up after everyone.

After a time or two, they really don't like the idea of staying after!
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apocalyptic_tea



Joined: 04 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My co-teacher made a couple of our first-graders stand on their desks and write their names in the air with their butts. They really hated it, and I think older kids would just flat-out refuse to do it, but you could just use it as a threat.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apocalyptic_tea wrote:
My co-teacher made a couple of our first-graders stand on their desks and write their names in the air with their butts. They really hated it, and I think older kids would just flat-out refuse to do it, but you could just use it as a threat.


That's absolute genius.

I have the "special" chair. The special chair is in the front of the room, right next to my podium, facing out toward the class. If someone decides they need the class's attention and want to be a "special" student, they get to sit in the "special" chair.

That's thanks to my new EOZ design, which has encased the whole damn room in huge glass windows, so that any little bugger I send out in the hallway just proceeds to morph into a monkey on the other side of the glass like at the zoo.

So fine. You want to make a butt of yourself in front of the entire class? Come on up and give it your best shot.

They don't like being called "special", either, and the other students are quick to join in on the nickname. I have boys who sat in the "special" chair months ago, whose classmates still point to them and shout, "TEACHA! HE SPECIAL STUDENT!" when I walk past in the hallway.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been pasting together story books for leveled readers that DD posted on Ning. So I just make the trouble makers help me do that after school or off to side during class. If your gonna discipline them, make sure its productive. Cool
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buckeye101



Joined: 09 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiknkorea wrote:
Not too creative, but I put troublemakers on clean up duty.

If they misbehave, they get to stay and sweep, straighten the desks, etc.

It works best to wait until the class lines up to make them start. That way while everyone else is on the way home, they're stuck cleaning up after everyone.

After a time or two, they really don't like the idea of staying after!


im sorry im only here to tell kiknkorea that is the best avatar ive ever seen. lol great!
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stimpleton



Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have a chair, named 'Mr. chair'. The students don't like the idea of sitting up there in front of their friends, and naming it has led to interesting variations, like 'Mr. Pizza'. Alternatively, I have threatened (and carried it out) to get students in front of the class singing and dancing.
For some reason, they seem to calm down almost immediately... Twisted Evil

I know it's not the best for their emotional development, but when I'm teaching, shame is my friend.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I you have young kids, I used to tell my kindergarteners to put their hands on their head for about two minutes. The other kids would point and laugh, not the best I know, but they calmed down.

Bribing them with candy or games works too.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If your gonna discipline them, make sure its productive.


Great tip! Mostly, students misbehave because they are either A) bewildered or B) disempowered

Giving them tasks and control is paramount to redirecting their actions / behavior.

One other way to empower students is "pass". All students should be able to say "pass" when called upon. This will actually increase participation too, believe it or not.

Anyone who's been to my lectures knows I also like a time out area. Place with some manipulatives where you direct the student after a warning. Uneventfully wave back into the group when you think they are ready.


Winterfall - glad you are using those books and spreading knowledge. Get them glossing them!

DD
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NCdan



Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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shame is my friend.


Yeah, the little buggers hate being shamed. I feel like I'm walking a tightrope shaming them; sure, it's effective, but if they go home and complain to mom, and then mom tells my supervisor or director I may very well be out of a job. I've made it a point to hand out candy to the kids every day after I'm done with them. I actually come back after their next class with another teacher and then hand out candy. My reasoning is that if their last memory of me during the day is a positive one (teach-uh gave me candy) then they won't complain to mom about being tied up hugging someone else.

The ideas so far are good and unique. The Mr. chair idea sounds worthwhile, especially if it is in plain view of the other students. Although, I'd probably opt for a name like "the bad chair" or "the stupid chair." Very Happy Another idea I have considered is standards, although, since it isn't really shaming the students I wonder how effective it would be?
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3DR



Joined: 24 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the special chair idea.

This is what I do (I'm in a public school)...

I always have a few rowdy classes so what I do is I either have a timer around my neck or on the computer screen if I'm not using it for Power Point, video, etc.

Whenever they start getting loud, fighting, etc while I am talking or trying to explain the lesson, I start the timer and when they stop talking, I stop the timer.

Whatever the time has been run up to at the end of class, that's how long they have to stay in class after the bell rings.

This works great because they really love that 10 minute free time they get in between classes and I have let it run up that high and made them sit there during the whole break.

After they got the message they definitely calm down before or once the timer starts and they even tell their other classmates to shutup. I only use this for the more rowdy classes though. And I can't take credit for this...a teacher used this method at a demo lesson I went to.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've suggested this before, but since you ask...

On the first day of class, teach them all to do The Worm. They'll have fun learning it and loosen them up to get ready to learn. Then, when the time comes, use it as punishment for the ones who get out of hand, growling "WORM" and pointing to the ground when you want them to drop and do it in front of the whole class.

Some will probably be embarrassed and lose face to be singled out while being laughed at. One or two may end up being extroverted enough to enjoy it (and show some talent), but may cheer them out of their bad behaviour. But the point is to get them on the floor grovelling.
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Perceptioncheck



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCdan wrote:
[ I've made it a point to hand out candy to the kids every day after I'm done with them. I actually come back after their next class with another teacher and then hand out candy. My reasoning is that if their last memory of me during the day is a positive one (teach-uh gave me candy) then they won't complain to mom about being tied up hugging someone else.

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Sorry, but you realize that you are actually rewarding bad behaviour by going out of your way to give candy after a punishment? I can understand it if they've made an effort to adjust their behaviour even if it's just in some small way but without that effort it seems like you're bending over for them.

They're just kids and anyone who gets a special thrill or a kick out of shaming them is a bully and shouldn't be teaching.
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NCdan



Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, but you realize that you are actually rewarding bad behaviour by going out of your way to give candy after a punishment? I can understand it if they've made an effort to adjust their behaviour even if it's just in some small way but without that effort it seems like you're bending over for them.

They're just kids and anyone who gets a special thrill or a kick out of shaming them is a bully and shouldn't be teaching.


There's a lot more to it than that. The kids are on teams, and I use a happy face system: when anyone on their team is bad they lose a happy face for their team. Each team starts out the day with enough happy faces for one piece of candy, and they can gain or lose candy based on how many happy faces their gain or lose. Since I've used this system I've only had a team lose enough happy faces to get no candy once; the kids tend to start screaming at their misbehaving teammates once they start losing happy faces. Some people might view this as bribery, but it does give them some incentive to behave well, and I tend to think of it more as job security. Wink
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am for more constructive punishments.

For example, I'll make a student do 20 push-ups (boys only) and he has to count each push up he does in English. I will have students write down a page out of an English textbook or dictionary. I may have him/her write a letter of apology to me. Maybe they write down some English sentence 50 times or something like that.

I have also found that discipline is more effective when it is predictable. If you set some standards for the first day of class and follow them properly, things seem to work out well.

Or I could just send them out of the room into the freezing cold hallway.
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