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Dev
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 Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject: Bill Maher Angry With IHOP |
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The Man of reason, Bill Maher tells it like it is at IHOP. Sure he has a big mouth, but he puts it to good use. Check out this spot. Way ta go, Bill!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzmrG8DY-Ds |
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sharkey
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone who promotes the well being of animals is a great person in my book. |
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Dev
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| A frustrating thing is that a company like IHOP could switch to free range chicken eggs, easily absorb the added cost or raise the price of an order of pancakes by a lousy 20 cents (probably even less because they buy in bulk) and promote this just cause. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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You know, he's a member of PeTa, which is known for its propaganda of Biblical proportions (ironically):
""Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
Ingrid Newkirk, President, PeTA
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Dev
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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PETA's alright. I used to give them money. Because of their visibility, they've done a lot to make animal rights issues mainstream. They do it in part by stirring up controversy sometimes at their events and sometimes by saying outrageous things.
I don't agree with everything they say, but about 90% of it I do. I wrote them an email once protesting their condemnation of Steve Irwin, The Crocodile Hunter. After his death they said he was not a friend of animals that he had exploited them to make money.
Well, that's their point of view. But I think he promoted nature conservation and a respect for animals in the general population. PETA got a little too preachy there for me.
But, overall, I have to commend PETA for being able to get people talking about animal issues.
Regarding what Bill Maher is doing with this ad, I hope that all restaurants in the future will reveal the facts behind what they are feeding us. I hope the big restaurant chains will boast how they're coffee is fair trade, their veges are organic and or locally grown, and their meat and eggs come from free range farms. |
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djsmnc
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Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I love IHOP. No concern at all about how it's made! It may make me one of the sheeple, but whatever |
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Dev
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I love IHOP. No concern at all about how it's made! It may make me one of the sheeple, but whatever |
GREAT!  Monsanto and the other companies poisoning our food just love an apathetic public. And so do the HMOs and pharmaceutical companies in the U.S. |
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Underwaterbob
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| I love IHOP. No concern at all about how it's made! It may make me one of the sheeple, but whatever |
GREAT! Monsanto and the other companies poisoning our food just love an apathetic public. And so do the HMOs and pharmaceutical companies in the U.S. |
I would be outraged if I went there often to eat it and had been under the impression that it's good for you before reading a thread like this, but I'm more into natural and healthy foods from better sources. PETA and Bill Maher et al cause more sensation than actually accomplishing significant change. Besides, apathy is more fun and comfortable! |
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Triban
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I like pancakes and the house of pain.
Jump Around! |
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NovaKart
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| I love IHOP. And normally I love Bill Maher. I think it's kind of weird how celebrities will go on about the rights of battery chickens but ignore things that happen to people. If chickens start boycotting places in support of our rights then I'll start supporting them. |
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Dev
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| NovaKart wrote: |
| I love IHOP. And normally I love Bill Maher. I think it's kind of weird how celebrities will go on about the rights of battery chickens but ignore things that happen to people. If chickens start boycotting places in support of our rights then I'll start supporting them. |
But this is not only a cruelty issue, it's about your health. For a good understanding of modern chicken raising, I recommend that you see the movie FOOD.INC Present chicken farmers pack chickens into houses that have no light 24/7 with just fans for air circulation. The chickens are packed into this space and drugged up with antibiotics for our safety. One of the farmers interviewed said that she was allergic to all antibiotics because of this.
Here's a clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIYR5UIPmE
Please don't try to tell me that chickens raised under these conditions are good for us. |
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seonsengnimble
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| Dev wrote: |
| NovaKart wrote: |
| I love IHOP. And normally I love Bill Maher. I think it's kind of weird how celebrities will go on about the rights of battery chickens but ignore things that happen to people. If chickens start boycotting places in support of our rights then I'll start supporting them. |
But this is not only a cruelty issue, it's about your health. For a good understanding of modern chicken raising, I recommend that you see the movie FOOD.INC Present chicken farmers pack chickens into houses that have no light 24/7 with just fans for air circulation. The chickens are packed into this space and drugged up with antibiotics for our safety. One of the farmers interviewed said that she was allergic to all antibiotics because of this.
Here's a clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIYR5UIPmE
Please don't try to tell me that chickens raised under these conditions are good for us. |
This is my major problem with PETA, vegans and the organic/raw foods crowd. Everyone is quick to point out hormones, chemicals and anecdotes about "being allergic to all antibiotics", but the actual evidence of the harmful effects towards humans is pretty lacking. The fact that a man made chemical rather than a naturally occurring chemical is added to a food or a medicine has absolutely no significance on a physiological level. If I eat enough cyanide, I will die. The fact that it comes from nature doesn't change the effects it has on my body. There are no internal sensors in the body which differentiate between natural and man made chemicals and then react favorably towards natural chemicals. You can state the chemical name of a solution and make it sound scary and poisonous, but that it doesn't effect what it does to the body.
Today I had a big serving of hectacarbodecidihydrohectaoxide. (My latin/greek number knowledge is terrible, but you get the picture.) |
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Dev
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| seonsengnimble wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| NovaKart wrote: |
| I love IHOP. And normally I love Bill Maher. I think it's kind of weird how celebrities will go on about the rights of battery chickens but ignore things that happen to people. If chickens start boycotting places in support of our rights then I'll start supporting them. |
But this is not only a cruelty issue, it's about your health. For a good understanding of modern chicken raising, I recommend that you see the movie FOOD.INC Present chicken farmers pack chickens into houses that have no light 24/7 with just fans for air circulation. The chickens are packed into this space and drugged up with antibiotics for our safety. One of the farmers interviewed said that she was allergic to all antibiotics because of this.
Here's a clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIYR5UIPmE
Please don't try to tell me that chickens raised under these conditions are good for us. |
This is my major problem with PETA, vegans and the organic/raw foods crowd. Everyone is quick to point out hormones, chemicals and anecdotes about "being allergic to all antibiotics", but the actual evidence of the harmful effects towards humans is pretty lacking. The fact that a man made chemical rather than a naturally occurring chemical is added to a food or a medicine has absolutely no significance on a physiological level. If I eat enough cyanide, I will die. The fact that it comes from nature doesn't change the effects it has on my body. There are no internal sensors in the body which differentiate between natural and man made chemicals and then react favorably towards natural chemicals. You can state the chemical name of a solution and make it sound scary and poisonous, but that it doesn't effect what it does to the body.
Today I had a big serving of hectacarbodecidihydrohectaoxide. (My latin/greek number knowledge is terrible, but you get the picture.) |
Yeah, I get the picture, but I think your line of thinking is flawed. Exposure to chemicals is pretty much impossible to avoid in this period of history. However, most people prefer to lower their exposure to chemicals. It seems like you have a "devil may care" attitude, let the food corporations put whatever in my food.
How many times has factory farming messed up our food? Ecoli poisoning, BSE (Mad Cow). Avian Flu, antibiotic intolerance,
Cancer rates keep climbing... |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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[quote="Dev"]
| seonsengnimble wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| NovaKart wrote: |
| I love IHOP. And normally I love Bill Maher. I think it's kind of weird how celebrities will go on about the rights of battery chickens but ignore things that happen to people. If chickens start boycotting places in support of our rights then I'll start supporting them. |
But this is not only a cruelty issue, it's about your health. For a good understanding of modern chicken raising, I recommend that you see the movie FOOD.INC Present chicken farmers pack chickens into houses that have no light 24/7 with just fans for air circulation. The chickens are packed into this space and drugged up with antibiotics for our safety. One of the farmers interviewed said that she was allergic to all antibiotics because of this.
Here's a clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIYR5UIPmE
Please don't try to tell me that chickens raised under these conditions are good for us. |
This is my major problem with PETA, vegans and the organic/raw foods crowd. Everyone is quick to point out hormones, chemicals and anecdotes about "being allergic to all antibiotics", but the actual evidence of the harmful effects towards humans is pretty lacking. The fact that a man made chemical rather than a naturally occurring chemical is added to a food or a medicine has absolutely no significance on a physiological level. If I eat enough cyanide, I will die. The fact that it comes from nature doesn't change the effects it has on my body. There are no internal sensors in the body which differentiate between natural and man made chemicals and then react favorably towards natural chemicals. You can state the chemical name of a solution and make it sound scary and poisonous, but that it doesn't effect what it does to the body.
Today I had a big serving of hectacarbodecidihydrohectaoxide. (My latin/greek number knowledge is terrible, but you get the picture.) |
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| Yeah, I get the picture, but I think your line of thinking is flawed. Exposure to chemicals is pretty much impossible to avoid in this period of history. However, most people prefer to lower their exposure to chemicals. It seems like you have a "devil may care" attitude, let the food corporations put whatever in my food. |
Your line of thinking is flawed because EVERYTHING is a chemical. Just like everything is organic.
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| How many times has factory farming messed up our food? Ecoli poisoning, BSE (Mad Cow). Avian Flu, antibiotic intolerance, |
I don't know. How many times?
Food poisoning is much lower now than what is was in the past. BSE is almost unheard of. How is Avian flu relevant? Is antibiotic resistance rising? It probably is, but where is the evidence that it has anything to do with farming?
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| Cancer rates keep climbing... |
Really? This isn't actually true.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091207/hl_nm/us_cancer_usa
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| New diagnoses for all types of cancer fell by almost 1 percent per year on average from 1999 to 2006 and deaths fell 1.6 percent per year from 2001 to 2006, the National Cancer Institute, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, American Cancer Society and the North American Association of Central Cancer Registries reported. |
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