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jhicks99



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Recruiter has my docs (job cancelled), let him keep them or Reply with quote

I had lined up a position (my second position) for March 1st in Seoul.
I ran around like a headless chicken for a few days getting my transcripts, my degree copied, notarized and stamped by the Korean consulate (as I'm in Canada this is necessary), same with the background check and had all my other documents sent via fedex to my recruiter. I just got notice that the current teacher decided to renew and that I would have to find a new school.

The recruiter is being really great about it and said he's trying his best to find another school in Seoul with similar conditions - should I let him hang on to all of my documents or have them returned to me? I really don't want to jump through all those hoops having to get the documents all over again if something happens. He's also offered to forward them to another address should I find a position through another recruiter.

What would you guys do? Last time around everything went real smooth and I sent my docs directly to the school.

It just sucks because I had found a school with great accommodations (1 bedroom apt as opposed to a studio), good salary and 9-5 hours right where I wanted to be in Seoul. Now I'm back to square one and all my docs are in Korea.

I'm thinking I should trust the recruiter and leave my docs there?
Since I've already had an E2 visa before (no interview), all my documents are already in Korea and I have experience and my TEFL, and a really motivated recruiter to place me I'd think I have an upper hand at getting a good position. I'm just weary of not having them in my hands...
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VFRinterceptor



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've just been bait and switched.

Recruiter tells you they have your dream job, harvests your paperwork and then poof, that job you wanted is gone, but hey, they've already got all your paperwork, so you're hooked in with them and the prospect of them collecting the commission of sending you to your next school is almost certain.

If I were you, get their recruiter registration number, asking politely, providing no indication of knowing they played you. Ask for the name or number of the alleged school they were going to put you in, anything that is specific to the job they offered you, remember to play it dumb. If they ask why, just say you like that position so much, you want to keep in touch with the school and would work there later on in the year, if you can transfer.

Whether the recruiter says yes or no to your request, ask for all your paperwork back or to be forwarded to another recruiter (or friend in Korea). If they do it, great. If they don't, ask why they can't.

Document everything and once you've secured a position, report them to Immigration.

OR...Just get your paperwork again and find another recruiter.
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jhicks99



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice.

That does freak me out a little if that's what's happening.
I do know the name of the school and have the contact #, should I call them just to confirm what happened?

The recruiter seems to be sincere and said they understood if they needed my documents forwarded somewhere else. I don't get the feeling something shady is going on hmm..
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same thing happend to my by the 'Pims Porea' recruiters (not their real name obviously, but most should be able to know who i'm referring to).

I thought i too had fallen victim to the bait and switch. Maybe it was a genuine thing or bait n' switch, i'll never know.

I left my documents with them for another week or two, and then got them to forward my docs to another recruiter when i got a job. Everything went smoothly after that. Good luck either way.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it sounds like a bait and switch, mostly because your recruiter was rushing you to get your documents in over 2 months ahead of time. maybe give your recruiter a couple weeks and see what he comes up with, but don't leave it too late, because if it turns out he can't find you a decent job and won't forward those docs on to a recruiter who can, you'll have to start from scratch again.
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jhicks99



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Well in less than a day I may have solved my problem. I decided to just deal with some schools directly myself and was just forwarded a contract, everything looks great so I'll have time if they can't forward my docs in time.
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jhicks99



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've decided I'm going to order some new docs as a precautionary measure as well, it may cost a few bucks but it will be better than dealing with any potential headaches in the future.

It seems the market is much better for finding a position in Seoul now than it was when I last checked about 3-4 months ago, probably a combination of timing (as many schools are looking for March 1st) and all of the college grads still being in school. It's still nothing like last time I looked when I was having schools begging me to come work for them and several contracts emailed to me every day... those were the days lol
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your documents are already in a garbage dump.
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jhicks99



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Your documents are already in a garbage dump.


Nice one smart ass.
What's the point in commenting if it adds NOTHING to a thread?
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
What would you guys do?

Quote:
What's the point....


If you can't see the point, maybe you need to get burned a few more times.
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jhicks99



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
If you can't see the point, maybe you need to get burned a few more times.


I know where you were going with your comment, I just found it pointless to make such a ridiculous statement when what's done is done.
I guess you have nothing better to do with your free time then to troll the esl message boards, good for you.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I just found it pointless to make such a ridiculous statement when what's done is done.


Then, what is the point in starting a thread if you already know?

WHAT'S DONE IS DONE, why post it on Dave's?
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes the recruiter is not the evil one.

Schools do not go to 1 recruiter. They ask a bunch of recruiters to find people for open positions. It comes down to a first come, first serve basis. Or, the recruiter takes the School's president/principal out to a room salon and say, "Hey, I hope you keep me at the front of the line when you consider hiring teachers".

There probably was an open position. YOu had all your paper work, but the school could've chosen with another recruiter.


Make no mistake, Koreans hire people PURELY using superficial means. Why do you think you send your pictures with your resume's? Why do you think many places ask for a picture? You could be better qualified, but this other fresh college grad is handsome so they get the job.

YEs, you shoudl be cautious with recruiters, but you should also realize they get the shaft too. They could have a verbal commitment from a school, only to be told at the last minute the school has changed their mind.
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NaraLee



Joined: 21 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter has my docs (job cancelled), let him keep them Reply with quote

jhicks99 wrote:
I had lined up a position (my second position) for March 1st in Seoul.
I ran around like a headless chicken for a few days getting my transcripts, my degree copied, notarized and stamped by the Korean consulate (as I'm in Canada this is necessary), same with the background check and had all my other documents sent via fedex to my recruiter. I just got notice that the current teacher decided to renew and that I would have to find a new school.

The recruiter is being really great about it and said he's trying his best to find another school in Seoul with similar conditions - should I let him hang on to all of my documents or have them returned to me? I really don't want to jump through all those hoops having to get the documents all over again if something happens. He's also offered to forward them to another address should I find a position through another recruiter.

What would you guys do? Last time around everything went real smooth and I sent my docs directly to the school.

It just sucks because I had found a school with great accommodations (1 bedroom apt as opposed to a studio), good salary and 9-5 hours right where I wanted to be in Seoul. Now I'm back to square one and all my docs are in Korea.

I'm thinking I should trust the recruiter and leave my docs there?
Since I've already had an E2 visa before (no interview), all my documents are already in Korea and I have experience and my TEFL, and a really motivated recruiter to place me I'd think I have an upper hand at getting a good position. I'm just weary of not having them in my hands...


i don't think it's a good idea to leave your personal docs with anyone.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: Recruiter has my docs (job cancelled), let him keep them Reply with quote

NaraLee wrote:

i don't think it's a good idea to leave your personal docs with anyone.


Absolutely.
Certified copies should really be enough.
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