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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: The Connecticut Firefighters Case |
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As discussed in this article, the white firefighters in question have been ruled in favor of. Given the attention this case got on the board sometime ago, it may be of interest.
Personally, I agree with the court's latest ruling; the mere fact that in a very limited sample pool minorities did not perform well is insufficient on its own to constitute discrimination, and realistically it would be hard to create a meaningful written exam such that it somehow favored whites. It's good to see the case has turned out this way. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Of course it didn't get much play here just as the mainstream (liberal) media has underreported the decision. Had the ruling gone against the firefighters, it would have received lots of air time.
One of the litigants is Hispanic, but that rarely gets pointed out in the press. Moreover, the firefighter who earned the top score, although White, is also dyslexic and hired a private tutor experienced with teaching those with disabilities to prepare for the test. Most of the Black firefighters admitted to not studying as much or at all.
David Souter sided with the losing side, not surprisingly. He turned out to be a huge disappointment for President H. W. Bush, who nominated him to the bench.
The cracks in the wall of Affirmative Action are growing. Even increasing numbers of minorities are questioning the direction it has headed in recent decades (see Pew Research Center online for a recent poll). |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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America is going to become more and more unmanageable as time passes. The Democrats are obsessed with equality of outcome for blue collar jobs yet the reality is that different groups preform at different levels. East Asians blow whites out of the water in a wide basket of socio-economic measures. So do whites for Hispanics and Hispanics for Blacks. There is no good future on this path. |
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gangwonbound
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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I can see some countries which used to have small groups of minorities now having large number of ethnic groups and basically white people policing, fighting fires etc for them. |
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Cordova
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
America is going to become more and more unmanageable as time passes. The Democrats are obsessed with equality of outcome for blue collar jobs yet the reality is that different groups preform at different levels. East Asians blow whites out of the water in a wide basket of socio-economic measures. So do whites for Hispanics and Hispanics for Blacks. There is no good future on this path. |
Yes. This is California as it is today. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't have to be this way. Pluto a while back posted a great lecture at CATO about immigration and such. The tagline was "keep the immigrants and deport the Columbia faculty". I agree. Government made legal slavery, then Jim Crow, then segregation and the war on drugs. It is and has been government, all along, that is the single largest barrier to actual reconciliation between groups. Now, government is going to reverse this by meddling "positively"? No, I doubt it. This is just pissing off whites and will create a "white solidarity" over time. This is happening in Europe now. |
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Cordova
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
I doubt it. This is just pissing off whites and will create a "white solidarity" over time. This is happening in Europe now. |
Racial preferrences are solidly entrenched in academia, private companies (kind of an insurance policy against getting sued) and most certainly in Fed, State, County and city gubmint.
I used to be optimistic that eventually people would be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. However, the diversity industry (a metaphor for hiring less qualified hispanics and blacks to displace white males). Remember, legislators are political animals whose main interest is keeping power.
While formally socialist countries are going for flat taxes, the U.S. is out to punish hard working people to reward the uneducatable/unemployable Obama voters.
You would think that the killing of the '"Golden Goose" as is going on in California would bring people to their senses, but I'm not sure anymore.
I am more and more convinced that "minorities" will chase self sufficient people to the ends of the earth for their largess.
Look what has happened in Europe, the U.S. and you can even see it in Itaewon or Roppongi. Note to other developed countries: Don't pander to a greivance mentality among you ethnic minorities & don't let millions of unskilled people flood into your country. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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I think that is hyperbole. There are tens upon tens of millions of white Americans who live a fine life, unmolested from the concerns you've raised above. My primary concern is that the state exaggerates and makes solid group identities. |
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Cordova
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
I think that is hyperbole. There are tens upon tens of millions of white Americans who live a fine life, unmolested from the concerns you've raised above. My primary concern is that the state exaggerates and makes solid group identities. |
This is already going on in the U.S. And no, I'm not exaggerating.
Do you think Supreme Court Justice nominee Sotomeyer was chosen because of her qualifications? She's Hispanic.
I'm not sure what planet you are from, but in the U.S. we have Black History month, Hispanic celebrations et al. Have you ever been to a "Diversity Training" session in the U.S.?
And when you say "unmolested" tell that to a lower-middle class white competing for a scholarship against ANY minority.
I know first hand- but I wised up and started to present myself as a Hispanic (my last name ended in a vowel) The dumb people in the Cal State System saw "Cordova" and I guess they thought I was some kind of exotic Mexican so Junior and Senior year were paid for plus a stipend.
I understand your original point, but lower-middle class people are hurt in a big way. |
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mises
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Which is why AA is best kept to class, not race. This would be the proper 'left' position. |
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Cordova
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
Which is why AA is best kept to class, not race. This would be the proper 'left' position. |
But in the U.S. it is opposite. A Black, Mullatto or Quadroon of the lower-upper, middle-upper, upper-upper class with lower SAT scores than Caucasians of all classes will receive preferrence. In addition, there is a plethora of special grants, scholorships, waiverable loans, stipends, no-work jobs that are simply not available to whites.
A white person today without economic resources cannot compete against the diversity machine.
California is toast, I'm just going to hang out here in Korea for a while.
I'll probably end up living in a trailer in the Mojave desert. |
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mises
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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If it really bothers you so much, move to a more homogeneous city. Like Portland.
74.1% (401,053) non-Hispanic White
8.5% (46,296) Hispanic or Latino (of any race)
7.9% (42,665) Black or African American
7.9% (42,589) Asian
2.9% (15,804) Some other race
2.8% (15,074) American Indian and Alaska Native
0.6% (3,220) Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander
(from Wiki).
Or Nebraska. Or the Dakotas. Or Iowa. Or Montana. Etc. California isn't the only state in the union. |
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Cordova
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Not necessary Doktor. If I wanted demo infrormtion I'd go to zipskinny.
Now why don't you stop hitting of your crack pipe & go to work instead of indulging the likes of me? |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Cordova wrote: |
I know first hand- but I wised up and started to present myself as a Hispanic (my last name ended in a vowel) The dumb people in the Cal State System saw "Cordova" and I guess they thought I was some kind of exotic Mexican so Junior and Senior year were paid for plus a stipend. |
You complain about minorities chasing self-sufficient people for hand outs, then you pretend to be a minority in order to get a hand out in the form of free college (and a stipend). That doesn't sound like the actions of a self-sufficient man, it sounds like exactly the sort of thing you're decrying here.
California's biggest problem has always been its citizenry first and foremost. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
If it really bothers you so much, move to a more homogeneous city.
Or Nebraska. Or the Dakotas. Or Iowa. Or Montana. Etc. California isn't the only state in the union. |
Why should it have to come to that? Why is institutionalized racism tolerated in 2009 USA? |
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