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Axiom
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 Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:39 am Post subject: Hopenhagan - New Age of Socialism |
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Scary stuff!!!!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/penny-wong-jeered-hugo-chavez-cheered/story-e6frgczf-1225811179614
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Then President Chavez brought the house down.
When he said the process in Copenhagen was �not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn�t that the reality of our world, the world is really and imperial dictatorship�down with imperial dictatorships� he got a rousing round of applause.
When he said there was a �silent and terrible ghost in the room� and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.
But then he wound up to his grand conclusion � 20 minutes after his 5 minute speaking time was supposed to have ended and after quoting everyone from Karl Marx to Jesus Christ - �our revolution seeks to help all people�socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that�s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....let�s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.� He won a standing ovation. |
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Axiom
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: |
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And then from that other model leader, Robert Mugabe!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/17/2774069.htm?section=world
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The anti-capitalist theme was picked up on by Mr Mugabe, Zimbabwe's veteran President, who is the target of Western sanctions over alleged human rights abuses.
"When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it's we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die."
The 85-year-old said industrialised countries in the northern hemisphere which bore historical responsibility for global warming showed none of the zeal for punishing 'eco-offenders' that they did for abusers of human rights.
"Why is the guilty north not showing the same fundamentalist spirit it exhibits in our developing countries on human rights matters on this more menacing threat of climate change?" he said.
"Where are its sanctions for eco-offenders? When a country spits on the Kyoto Protocol by seeking to shrink from its diktats, or by simply refusing to accede to it, is it not violating the global rule of law," he added in reference to the core emissions treaty which the US has refused to sign. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Care to estimate what percentage of the climate disinformation being diseminated is funded by oil companies/oil producing countries? |
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Axiom
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Care to estimate what percentage of the climate disinformation being diseminated is funded by oil companies/oil producing countries? |
I think you will find that about 80% of export wealth of Venezuela (Charez's domain) is oil.
Great point Ya-ta Boy |
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Axiom
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Care to estimate what percentage of the climate disinformation being diseminated is funded by oil companies/oil producing countries? |
http://www.dias-online.org/318.0.html
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| It was, of course, energy gangster Enron which initially spearheaded the U.S. lobby for capping and trading emissions rights, so Americans wonder where the oil majors might stand on the Copenhagen agenda. In the U.S. warming debate, Exxon Mobil chief executive Rex Tillerson advocated a straight-forward national carbon tax instead of the stealth approach of trading emissions rights. But he also conceded in a speech this year: �It is easier and more politically expedient to support a cap-and-trade approach because the public will never figure out where it is hitting them. They will just know they hurt somewhere in their pocketbook.� |
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beck's
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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The standing ovations that these two got at Copenhagen is a reflection of who is there. The delegates are mostly from third world sh-t holes. For them it is a way to get out of their miserable countries and into a progressive society, even if it only for a few weeks. I am sure that these diplomats are enjoying the indoor plumbing, clean water and blue skies.
Those who may have applauded, who are from the west, are what Tom Wolfe has called, "The Roccoco Marxists." These are the tenured "intellectuals" who will always run down western civilization. They can be depended on to do this even though the aircraft that they flew to Copenhagen in was a western invention, to say nothing of the elevators that take them up to their suites, the cars that drive them to the meetings, the televisions, radios, computers and printing presses that enable them to even have such meetings. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Care to estimate what percentage of the climate disinformation being diseminated is funded by oil companies/oil producing countries? |
You can start with Al Gore if you like. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Care to estimate what percentage of the climate disinformation being diseminated is funded by oil companies/oil producing countries? |
Please, stop with the conspiracy theories already!  |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mugabe wrote: |
The 85-year-old said industrialised countries in the northern hemisphere which bore historical responsibility for global warming showed none of the zeal for punishing 'eco-offenders' that they did for abusers of human rights.
"Why is the guilty north not showing the same fundamentalist spirit it exhibits in our developing countries on human rights matters on this more menacing threat of climate change?" he said. |
When a man is trying to liken carbon emission with human rights abuse, you know he's a monster. Climate change is an issue wherein we're weighing a potential positive (economic benefit and higher standard of living) against a potential negative (higher global temperatures). Human rights abuses are a negative with no reciprocal societal positive. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| When a man is trying to liken carbon emission with human rights abuse, you know he's a monster. Climate change is an issue wherein we're weighing a potential positive (economic benefit and higher standard of living) against a potential negative (higher global temperatures). Human rights abuses are a negative with no reciprocal societal positive. |
You don't see a positive in eliminating human rights abuses? |
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Gopher
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It has become a tragic three-ringed circus, I am afraid.
Does anyone still believe this gathering will produce an agreement on anything, let alone practical solutions, even the first steps? |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Hopenhagan - New Age of Socialism |
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| Axiom wrote: |
Scary stuff!!!!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/penny-wong-jeered-hugo-chavez-cheered/story-e6frgczf-1225811179614
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Then President Chavez brought the house down.
When he said the process in Copenhagen was �not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn�t that the reality of our world, the world is really and imperial dictatorship�down with imperial dictatorships� he got a rousing round of applause.
When he said there was a �silent and terrible ghost in the room� and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.
But then he wound up to his grand conclusion � 20 minutes after his 5 minute speaking time was supposed to have ended and after quoting everyone from Karl Marx to Jesus Christ - �our revolution seeks to help all people�socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that�s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....let�s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.� He won a standing ovation. |
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If all the loony socialists in the world would just stay home, shut up, and spend their time doing something more useful - like, say, playing Crazy Eights all day - we could cut global emissions of CO2 in half. |
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Pluto
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Apparently, Obama, winner of the 'Nobel War Prize,' is a capitalist pig that leaves sulfur in his wake. It's unfortunate his messianic powers don't work on this guy:
http://reason.com/blog/2009/12/18/recycling-material-in-copenhag
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Politicians declare victory and go home. In other words, the talks collapsed. Copenhagen was, thankfully, a complete failure. More from Reason in Copenhagen:
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World leaders are abandoning the Bella Center like rats off a sinking ship after declaring that a deal has been reached at the Copenhagen climate change conference. Two years ago at the Bali climate conference, it was agreed that the signatories to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change and the Kyoto Protocol would finalize a binding global treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at the Copenhagen meeting. That goal was put aside even before the meeting here got started. In turn, the Copenhagen conference was supposed to resolve major issues like the mid-term reduction commitments by developed countries, how to monitor those commitments, and how to fund adaptation and mitigation in poor countries. Now those goals have been put off to the indefinite future.
Although the detailed language is not yet available, the broad outlines are apparently these:
(1) The agreement sets a target of no more than two degrees Celsius for the increase in global temperatures.
(2) The agreement sets the goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent by 2050 with the developed countries cutting their emissions by 80 percent.
(3) Going into the Copenhagen conference, the goal was to adopt a binding treaty by next meeting in Mexico City in 2010. That goal has been dropped and no date set for a future deal.
(4) With regard to transparency�the big sticking point between China and the U.S.�countries are supposed to provide information tracking their efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions, but the guidelines for monitoring those activities are to be negotiated later.
Ignore the spin that the politicians try to put on it: In any meaningful sense, the Copenhagen climate conference collapsed.
Ronald Bailey is Reason's science correspondent. His book Liberation Biology: The Scientific and Moral Case for the Biotech Revolution is available from Prometheus Books. |
http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/18/copenhagen-climate-conference |
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