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Greekfreak
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: My desktop files got completely wiped out... new virus? |
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I'm far from a computer dummy, but this afternoon my computer was chock full of stuff on the desktop c:/ drive, with an equal amount of crap on my f:/ drive, but after returning home and my wife's been on the computer, I find everything on my desktop is wiped out.
My utorrent function, quick icon menu, any video/audio/jpeg files I had are gone.
I've since told her she wasn't to blame, but surely my avg wouldn't fail me just now, would it? Which new little virus did she open in her email?
Incidentally, my f:/ drive was fine. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I avoid AVG Free because it has no Rootkit protection. Without that, you're opening yourself to some of the most deadly malware out there. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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wormholes101
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Microsoft's free Security Essentials has been doing well, also. Don't download direct from Microsoft if you're in Korea -- it won't be allowed. |
Does this download link not work for you?
http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/ |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| wormholes101 wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Microsoft's free Security Essentials has been doing well, also. Don't download direct from Microsoft if you're in Korea -- it won't be allowed. |
Does this download link not work for you?
http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/ |
After installing, it came back with a message that it won't allow installation on a non-US computer. I got around it by downloading from Softpedia. |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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The world's best virus and/or malware protection is to dump windows
and run linux. There's damn little I can't do on my linux box I can't do on windoze. If I need it, I'll fire it up long enough to get my crap done and then go back to something is a)faster, b) easier to manage and c) virus/malware free. That doesn't happen very often, but video editing is one of them.
I can't remember anything else I need to do on windows I can't do in my favorite distro, Fedora |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Heck, there's nothing a computer with no operating system can't be made to do that Windows does, given enough time and programming effort.
The reason Linux isn't very successful in the home world is because it's still not easy, and still requires too much work to make it work (at least at the Windows level people expect these days).
Collectively, people who ignore Linux after trying it are saying, "I don't have the time, interest, or expertise to make it work like it should."
Also, it's got fewer virus issues simply because it's not very widely accepted around the world. |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
The reason Linux isn't very successful in the home world is because it's still not easy, and still requires too much work to make it work (at least at the Windows level people expect these days).
Collectively, people who ignore Linux after trying it are saying, "I don't have the time, interest, or expertise to make it work like it should."
Also, it's got fewer virus issues simply because it's not very widely accepted around the world. |
Spoken like a guy who has neither expertise nor interest.
When's the last time you even tried Linux? It's incredibly easy to install and use. Unless you're completely ignorant.
As of this month, Linux own 1/3 of the market share on netbooks.
But its nearly non-existent virus arena isn't because of that, but because user authentication/priveledges is far different. Gaining super-user ability to cause real damage is just difficult to program into a virus. And although viruses do exist, the rapid response of linux developers can fix the usually minimal threats quickly. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| martypants wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
The reason Linux isn't very successful in the home world is because it's still not easy, and still requires too much work to make it work (at least at the Windows level people expect these days).
Collectively, people who ignore Linux after trying it are saying, "I don't have the time, interest, or expertise to make it work like it should."
Also, it's got fewer virus issues simply because it's not very widely accepted around the world. |
Spoken like a guy who has neither expertise nor interest.
When's the last time you even tried Linux? It's incredibly easy to install and use. Unless you're completely ignorant.
As of this month, Linux own 1/3 of the market share on netbooks.
But its nearly non-existent virus arena isn't because of that, but because user authentication/priveledges is far different. Gaining super-user ability to cause real damage is just difficult to program into a virus. And although viruses do exist, the rapid response of linux developers can fix the usually minimal threats quickly. |
Way to completely miss the point. I'm relatively computer savvy and I gave up on Ubuntu pretty quick. The updates kept killing my wifi network. I knew I would be able to fix it but it was quicker and easier just to switch back to my Windows install. How do you think people who know nothing about computers would get on? This is why Linux hasn't caught on yet. It may be better that Windows in most ways but it certainly isn't easier to use for the average computer user. |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
Way to completely miss the point. I'm relatively computer savvy and I gave up on Ubuntu pretty quick. The updates kept killing my wifi network. I knew I would be able to fix it but it was quicker and easier just to switch back to my Windows install. How do you think people who know nothing about computers would get on? This is why Linux hasn't caught on yet. It may be better that Windows in most ways but it certainly isn't easier to use for the average computer user. |
Here's another guy who thinks he's computer savvy. If you couldn't even deal with Ubuntu, the easiest of the Linux distros, then you didn't really
try it out before giving up on it, did you? You really are an average computer user.
The point is, windows IS and always HAS been a POS as far as security goes. And Linux, while it wasn't easy a while back, is so easy now, even cretins should be able to figure it out and not have to go running back
to apron strings of mommy microsoft.
You just go back to using that POS windows and leave the real work to the big boys. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:04 am Post subject: Re: My desktop files got completely wiped out... new virus? |
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| Greekfreak wrote: |
I'm far from a computer dummy, but this afternoon my computer was chock full of stuff on the desktop c:/ drive, with an equal amount of crap on my f:/ drive, but after returning home and my wife's been on the computer, I find everything on my desktop is wiped out.
My utorrent function, quick icon menu, any video/audio/jpeg files I had are gone.
I've since told her she wasn't to blame, but surely my avg wouldn't fail me just now, would it? Which new little virus did she open in her email?
Incidentally, my f:/ drive was fine. |
Just curious, but did she happen to right-click on the desktop and then choose "view" and then uncheck "show desktop icons" or whatever, depending on your OS? Perhaps she also messed with your toolbars? That's my theory anyway. |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| martypants wrote: |
Here's another guy who thinks he's computer savvy. If you couldn't even deal with Ubuntu, the easiest of the Linux distros, then you didn't really
try it out before giving up on it, did you? You really are an average computer user.
The point is, windows IS and always HAS been a POS as far as security goes. And Linux, while it wasn't easy a while back, is so easy now, even cretins should be able to figure it out and not have to go running back
to apron strings of mommy microsoft.
You just go back to using that POS windows and leave the real work to the big boys. |
And you've missed the point once again. No one is saying linux is horribly complicated and requires a phd to operate. It just takes more time and effort to use. To install a program in windows, you simply double click an exe. Many programs can be run on linux, but it takes more time than many people are willing to invest. Yes, windows is terrible, but it has a simple layout and it takes very little effort to use for most things. Yes, Linux is used on many netbooks. This is because people use netbooks primarily for the net. Ubuntu comes ready for the net. |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| seonsengnimble wrote: |
| martypants wrote: |
Here's another guy who thinks he's computer savvy. If you couldn't even deal with Ubuntu, the easiest of the Linux distros, then you didn't really
try it out before giving up on it, did you? You really are an average computer user.
The point is, windows IS and always HAS been a POS as far as security goes. And Linux, while it wasn't easy a while back, is so easy now, even cretins should be able to figure it out and not have to go running back
to apron strings of mommy microsoft.
You just go back to using that POS windows and leave the real work to the big boys. |
And you've missed the point once again. No one is saying linux is horribly complicated and requires a phd to operate. It just takes more time and effort to use. To install a program in windows, you simply double click an exe. Many programs can be run on linux, but it takes more time than many people are willing to invest. Yes, windows is terrible, but it has a simple layout and it takes very little effort to use for most things. Yes, Linux is used on many netbooks. This is because people use netbooks primarily for the net. Ubuntu comes ready for the net. |
And that is exactly the point. BECAUSE windows is so friggin' easy to install *stuff* then things get installed that one doesn't want installed.
Most people need to be protected from themselves. Simply clicking a .exe
is how viruses and malware get propogated. People who aren't willing
to take more time and effort to install crap should not whine and moan
when other unwanted crap gets installed.
And two people on this thread have said "still requires too much work to make it work" and another said "I would be able to fix it but it was quicker and easier just to switch back to my Windows install."
To me, the point they were making is that they'd rather that have point and click, windows-please-hold-my-hand, do-it-all-for-me-because-I'm-too-lazy kind of system. And I suggested that Linux is far easier
these days, for even neophytes to install and run.
You want easy to use with no extra steps other than clicking a .exe?
Fine, that's your choice. Deal with the consequences, then. Which includes either paying for expensive anti-virus codes or jacked up systems. That's NOT easy. My whole purpose in this thread was that there are other options that really are easy, if one would simply *try* them rather than running back to babysitter windows.
It's amazing to me that people will get into a new automobile and have to figure out where the light switches are, how the wipers work, the windows, etc. They don't go running back to the old junk they drove simply because the wiper controls aren't in the same place as before.
I'm tired of windows whiners and people who have twisted perceptions of what's easy or not. I'm outta here. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, we've got a planet full of computer users -- 95%+ of which don't use Linux as their main OS because of just what we've stated. So keep in mind you're including most of the civilized world when you cut us down.
If a much larger share of people used Linux, it would be frought with virus issues, too. People don't bother creating viruses for something so few people use -- at least not many people do.
And by the way, my antivirus software is free and works very well. |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Dude, we've got a planet full of computer users -- 95%+ of which don't use Linux as their main OS because of just what we've stated. So keep in mind you're including most of the civilized world when you cut us down.
If a much larger share of people used Linux, it would be frought with virus issues, too. People don't bother creating viruses for something so few people use -- at least not many people do.
And by the way, my antivirus software is free and works very well. |
Well, there you have it, folks. The world's best, most intelligent answer to why people stick with a POS like windows - 'cuz everyone else is. A reason every mother of a six year old child has countered - "if little Timmy jumped a bridge, would you do it, too?"
Sheep. Baaahhh.... |
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