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Research finds no advantage in learning to read from five
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Research finds no advantage in learning to read from five Reply with quote

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10616835

Children who learn to read at age five are unlikely to be better readers than children who learn to read at seven, according to new research.

Research by Sebastian Suggate for his doctorate in psychology at Otago University found no difference between the reading ability of early (from age five) and late (from age seven) readers by the time those children reached their last year at primary school


I am not sure how correct he is in this.

I learned to read at 5, but between the ages of 7-10, there was a period I couldn't do much. I returned to a reading environment, and at the age of 10 could read at the age of a 14 yr old, by the the time I reached 12, I could read at the age of an adult.

The reason was I was interested in catching up in my reading, but I gave up on sports and fitting in. Catching up and losing other opportunities is not the same as simply having the ability.

Its nice to simply say, I studied this and its possible. Its not the same as what is the long term result of the loss, of education and what misses out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10616835
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been telling this to Korean moms. My parents didnt teach me to read before grade 1, so when I started school I was put in the slowest reading group. I didnt even know the whole alphabet. By the end of second grade I was in the highest reading group( the top eight readers out of 80 kids in the first grade at my school.) It may make moms proud to say "look my 4 year old can read" but in the end it doesnt really matter.
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Khenan



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it normal to learn to read at 7? Good god, no offense, but what are the parents doing for 7 years? My parents tell me I could read at 3. My nephew-in-law, who is a native Korean, not to mention 2 years old, knows the English alphabet, and can read/spell things like LOTTE. Damndest part of it is that no one taught him the alphabet. TV, I'm sure.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think learning it 2 years sooner is an advantage in and of itself, as it leaves time to focus on learning other things later.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Research... found no difference between the reading ability of early (from age five) and late (from age seven) readers by the time those children reached their last year at primary school

Well, that last bit is important. By the time those children reached their last year at primary school. That's all the statement claims.

I think in the long run, though, a child who shows interest or who has advanced skills in reading when he or she starts school is going to be more successful, at least academically. That's just what I have seen, and I suspect as a lot of us on this forum are teachers most of us began to do some reading before we started school.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I have kids they can wait to read. Far more important to master the choke slam and a good bitch slap. It would add motor-neuron development too, which is just as important at that age.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the opposite was found, then idiots everywhere would be saying " Why did they spend money on this, when the answer is obvious!!!".
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UknowsI



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a little slow at learning to read and couldn't really read properly before the age of 8, but none of my friends have done any better academically. To be honest I'm starting to believe that studying is highly overrated as common sense and real life experience seems to trump studying most of the time. Of course a certain level of studying is necessary, but there seem to often be a diminishing rate of return and often what you've done before uni will even itself out in a year or two anyway.

EDIT: When I come to think of it, the first book I ever read was The Lord of the Rings which I read when I was 9-10, so I guess it's possible to catch up rather fast.


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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading is fun. It's in my top 5 of things to do. I'm not sure how useful this research is. Science has to test one variable at a time, but reading is tied up with much more complex cultural issues. Sure, there's no need to stress a 5 year old out trying to follow the adventures of Dick and Jane, but it seems to me that fostering an enjoyment of reading could result in a lifelong love of learning.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning to read late might not have any academic ill effects, but I think perhaps it has other, less measurable ones. So much of learning depends on reading as a fundamental skill. I'm sure the posters who said they were late readers in the thread so far were bright kids and all and were brilliant at things like math that I am terrible with, but I'd imagine they have a very different relationship to books, school and learning for it's own sake than I do, as someone who was reading storybooks at 3. How could they not, if they went through the first few years of formal education struggling with one of the fundamental skills?

I don't know that it's fair to blame the parents for their kids having trouble either. I learned to read very early, but my younger sister struggled with it for years. She was diagnosed with dyslexia just before graduating high school.
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Draz



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Learning to read late might not have any academic ill effects, but I think perhaps it has other, less measurable ones. So much of learning depends on reading as a fundamental skill. I'm sure the posters who said they were late readers in the thread so far were bright kids and all and were brilliant at things like math that I am terrible with, but I'd imagine they have a very different relationship to books, school and learning for it's own sake than I do, as someone who was reading storybooks at 3. How could they not, if they went through the first few years of formal education struggling with one of the fundamental skills?


Nah. I knew the alphabet from watching Sesame Street before I started school, but I didn't even start to learn how to read until I was in grade 1 which I started when I was six and a half years old. I hear about people who taught themselves to read but I'm positive I didn't do that. I don't remember it being a struggle, I remember I loved books and trying to read them at that age. I'd been waiting so long to learn! By 4th or 5th grade my reading skill was several grade levels above average.

I'm one of the people throwing off the average of that study and making age non-significant statistically!
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riverboy



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only boy I remember knowing how to read when I was in grade 1, now has his PHD in English Literature.

Not to brag, but my eldest son has been reading since he was two. He is four and a half and can read at a grade four level. I never really taught him; just read a lot to him and introduced him to this website:
www.starfall.com.

Now he loves to read. I don't think it hurt him, and I am sure it will help him finish his homework faster in the future.

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If I have kids they can wait to read. Far more important to master the choke slam and a good bitch slap. It would add motor-neuron development too, which is just as important at that age.


And he smacked me a great left jab right hook combo this morning to boot! The best of both worlds I tell ya!
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DosEquisXX



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely. When you learn to read does not correlate with how well you can read in the future.

I was reading the newspaper when I was 2 years old.

While my reading ability is better than the average person, it is not really good. It's about keeping yourself in a reading environment and continuing to read.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
peppermint wrote:
Learning to read late might not have any academic ill effects, but I think perhaps it has other, less measurable ones. So much of learning depends on reading as a fundamental skill. I'm sure the posters who said they were late readers in the thread so far were bright kids and all and were brilliant at things like math that I am terrible with, but I'd imagine they have a very different relationship to books, school and learning for it's own sake than I do, as someone who was reading storybooks at 3. How could they not, if they went through the first few years of formal education struggling with one of the fundamental skills?


Nah. I knew the alphabet from watching Sesame Street before I started school, but I didn't even start to learn how to read until I was in grade 1 which I started when I was six and a half years old. I hear about people who taught themselves to read but I'm positive I didn't do that. I don't remember it being a struggle, I remember I loved books and trying to read them at that age. I'd been waiting so long to learn! By 4th or 5th grade my reading skill was several grade levels above average.

I'm one of the people throwing off the average of that study and making age non-significant statistically!
Learning to read at the same time as the rest of the class is one thing, but there are other people on the thread saying they had trouble when they were 8 and 10, and you'll note that they're the ones dismissing the importance of education.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

learning to read is not rocket science..

learning from 5 or 7 or 11 doesnt matter really. it all depends on what you plan to do with the reading skills..

if you learned to read at age 11 and dedicated yourself to books for the next 4 years.. by the time you were 15 you probably read better than a kid who learned to read at 5 and was not that into reading...

anyway, tell a korean mum that there is no advantage to johhny learning to read at age 3! she will just say.. PALLI PALLI!!!
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