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NCdan



Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Lines Reply with quote

So I walked into McDonalds today and even though there were line markers set up, the Koreans completely disregarded them, and I couldn't even tell who was and wasn't in line: there was just a big herd of them mashed together with no order whatsoever. But McDonalds is nothing compared to Home Plus on weekends: I won't even try to get milk when I see what appears to be a rioting mob in front of the milk section. Why is the concept of standing in a line so difficult for Koreans to comprehend? I don't know whether to fall on the floor laughing, walk away in disgust, or start punching my way through the crowd when I see Koreans' total ineptitude at standing in line.

I try to drill the concept of standing in line into my kids' heads, and the smart ones get it to some extent, but the dumb ones remain clueless and will simply cut in front of everyone and smash their textbook down on top of the person's textbook I'm currently correcting. How can we expect workplace conditions to improve when Koreans can't understand something as simple as standing in line?
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh, relax guy. Don't get so worked up about something you can't change.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when in Korea, do as the Koreans. . . barge your way through, too =) have fun!
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Lines Reply with quote

NCdan wrote:
But McDonalds is nothing compared to Home Plus on weekends: I won't even try to get milk when I see what appears to be a rioting mob in front of the milk section. Why is the concept of standing in a line so difficult for Koreans to comprehend?


I don't think it's normal to stand in line in a supermarket to pick things off the shelf in any country is it? I haven't had much trouble at the checkouts in the big supermarkets.

Places like McDonalds remind of pubs in England. In a pub in England no one stands in line, but there is an unofficial line which is generally respected. It may not be 'respected' here but with the right body language and presence you can generally make sure you get served in approximately the right order.

Now some of the hotel buffets on the other hand.. they can be infuriating..
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the Mickey D's I've been to in Korea have been more organized than in the U.S. They have two lines here, one for ordering, and one for waiting for your food once you've ordered. Plus you have a number on your receipt. How much more orderly can you get?

Koreans will cut in lines so they can be with their friends though, that's just something you have to live with here.

If you want to see people who can't understand the concept of lines, go to China.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lines for samples are can be hit or miss at Costco. Sometimes, an queue forms and others it is a free for all a la Jurassic Park.
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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radius wrote:
when in Korea, do as the Koreans. . . barge your way through, too =) have fun!


Or at least push back ahead of anyone pushing in front of you, Even (especially?) the ajummas.
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Richard Krainium



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I thought this was gonna be another thread about drugs. Smile
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nycbabyblue67



Joined: 24 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that this is an issue peculiar to Korea or Korean people. I'm from NYC and deal with this kind of crowding and chaos every day! I chalk it up to 9 million people living on a group of small islands. Get a helmet.
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NCdan



Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that bugs me is the complete disregard for order and personal space. When people get behind you in "line" in Korea, they don't get behind you, they practically glue themselves to your back. I hate standing there, moving half an inch back and bumping into the person behind me. I know, I know, it's a different culture, but it's a culture of complete rudeness.

I probably wouldn't even have made this post if I didn't observe the behavior in my kids. I deal with kids as young as four, and when I first got them they had no order whatsoever, and who could blame them, as they were just following the example set by the Korean adults that they saw? I noticed that once I made them start standing in line, they actually began to like it, and when one of the dimmer students crowded them or cut in front of them, they got pretty pissed. I'm just baffled at how a culture can not understand something as simple as a line and requires foreigners to teach them how to do it. Why? What is wrong with these people? I have never witnessed another culture so befuddled by the concept of a line. I can just picture one of my kids being brought to run errands with his or her mother and telling his or her mother, "Oma! Likey this. Stand here. Oma! No cut. No cut."
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nycbabyblue67



Joined: 24 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCdan wrote:

I can just picture one of my kids being brought to run errands with his or her mother and telling his or her mother, "Oma! Likey this. Stand here. Oma! No cut. No cut."


Hey NCDan that is pretty funny!
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Old Gil



Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twice as sweet as sugar, twice as bitter as salt/ And if you get hooked, baby, it's nobody else's fault, so don't do it!
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCdan wrote:
I know, I know, it's a different culture, but it's a culture of complete rudeness.


WTF? What's rude in one culture is not rude in every other culture. If you understand that it's a different culture, how can you say that it's a culture of rudeness?

Anyway, I haven't really seen issues with lines. And my students not only know how to line up, but they always get upset if someone else cuts in line. Plus I have a "line leader" volunteer who helps. It's a different student each week, and that student is responsible for everyone lining up nicely and walking in the hall (eg, if they run down the hall, they don't get to be line leader), and they get to go in front of the line. We don't go until everyone is lined up. Most of the time, the kids take the line more seriously than I do.
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Old Gil



Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans will say that Koreans are rude and Korea is a rude society. The awareness is there. They just don't say anything most of the time about it.
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JamesKChurch



Joined: 26 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Lines Reply with quote

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