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A religion thread....with a twist

 
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Olivencia



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:56 am    Post subject: A religion thread....with a twist Reply with quote

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_on_re_us/us_marijuana_religion;_ylt=Ar_OeYvk8Mmrsda6C5FoFcqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNwbXQ2YXJmBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMTI4L3VzX21hcmlqdWFuYV9yZWxpZ2lvbgRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzEEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNjb2xvcmFkb21hbnA-


Not sure on what grounds he can be "consistently" convicted if it is a religious experience since the use of peyote is allowed by those in the Native American Church.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If members of a religion feel use of marijuana is vital to their religion, it is encumbant upon them to either work to the get law itself revoked, or to work to get an exception written into the law for them. Exceptions of this nature have been made before (e.g. kosher butchering laws). Until or unless such a legal exception is made, they need to follow the law just like anyone else.
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Olivencia



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is not civil disobedience acceptable?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivencia wrote:
Why is not civil disobedience acceptable?


It's fine, but civil disobedience comes with the consequences of being punished in accordance with the law. If he sincerely believes in his religion, and feels marijuana is absolutely required to practice it, then I commend his strength of character. I'm sure it will see him through any legal punishments the courts choose to inflict upon him for his "civil disobedience."

To a true practicioner of civil disobedience, being punished in accordance with the law is a means to an end, not something to be avoided. He should embrace it, if that's his real motive. If he's just trying to get out of being punished in accordance with the law for his crime by using a [Mod Edit] excuse, on the other hand, he may see things differently.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major, major sidescroll on this thread. Olivencia, may I suggest...

www.tinyurl.com
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope folks are not trying to overtly push discussing religion and creating threads focused on religion. Again, let us reiterate it's fine to post threads dealing with religious figures and their statements, world events like a burqa ban in France, but we don't want people to encourage flame wars that would remind us of a 30 years war in old Germany...
Just put the title of the original article of whatever world issue.

Thanks....
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Street Magic



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 Regarding the side scroll problem

Could a mod (or the OP) edit out and replace the OP's link with this one?:

http://tinyurl.com/yhf5x3o

Anyway, while I'm a total supporter of the end of arbitrary psychoactive substance prohibition, I actually think making exceptions on religious grounds is a somewhat pro-prohibitionist stance. Such an exception would suggest that we have to somehow justify why we would want to engage in substance assisted psychonautics in order to deserve permission. I have the same problem with the concept of medical marijuana.

If you look at the history of American drug prohibition laws, the earliest opium laws and the first marijuana law didn't make anything outright illegal but rather got pushed through the legislative bodies of their time fairly easily for appearing as though they were innocuous regulation acts. Once passed, gross misinterpretations of the fine print (such as "in the course of his professional practice only" being ruled by the Supreme Court to mean any doctor who distributed opium had done so outside of his professional practice due to the recreational nature of the substance itself even though the line clearly referred to when opium can be used legally given its context in an opium specific regulation act) were abused to severely punish innocent users and even act compliant doctors, thus ushering in the collective delusion that the arbitrary prohibition of psychoactives was somehow a norm of social order.

Rather than let me preach at you all day though, I highly recommend anyone reading this go ahead and check out the following site's examination of the history of the various American drug laws:

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/legal/Default.htm
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Olivencia



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I wrote "with a twist" in that if one of the practices of a religion breaks the existing law of the nation I figured it would be appropriate to "politically" discuss it. That's why my follow up response had to do with civil disobedience.
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