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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: Gangnam
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 Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: Korea's privacy laws (e.g. Mr. ___ Kim was convicted of...) |
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Each time I read about a Korean person found guilty of arson/murder/rape said person's name is not stated/published -- left as "Mr. Ahn" or "Mr. Lee." In the big cases recently, a few convicted rapists/murders have been named in newspapers. But these are rare exceptions -- possibly a new wave a change, hopefully.
A person convicted (i.e. found guilty/sentenced) of a crime should have his/her name made part of the public record, I believe. What's the point of the Korean government/law even (publicly) stepping to state a crime has been committed -- and an investigation conducted -- and a person convicted, if said convicted person's name will be withheld.
The Korean government could just as well hide the fact that a crime/rape/murder was committed, conduct a crime investigation and find the person, give such person a trial by a judge, and sentence him/her to X number of years, keeping EVERYTHING secret (i.e. punishment, family name, crime committed, etc).
What I've heard from Koreans is that a convicted person's family will suffer shame and might be attacked. I'm open to arguments against making public a convicted person's name. I just want to hear different voices on this subject. That's why I've posted this message. |
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asams
Joined: 17 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Korea's privacy laws (e.g. Mr. ___ Kim was convicted of. |
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| richardlang wrote: |
| What I've heard from Koreans is that a convicted person's family will suffer shame and might be attacked. I'm open to arguments against making public a convicted person's name. I just want to hear different voices on this subject. That's why I've posted this message. |
This actually sounds like a pretty good explanation. I've heard of families of convicts back home getting threats and stuff, when they obviously don't have much control over the other family members. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I personally would think it better for the offender just to disappear forever without mention, as might have happened in the Soviet Union or China about 40 - 50 years ago. |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Will the real Mr Park/Kim/Lee/Choi/Gang please stand up. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Korea's privacy laws (e.g. Mr. ___ Kim was convicted of. |
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| richardlang wrote: |
Each time I read about a Korean person found guilty of arson/murder/rape said person's name is not stated/published -- left as "Mr. Ahn" or "Mr. Lee." In the big cases recently, a few convicted rapists/murders have been named in newspapers. But these are rare exceptions -- possibly a new wave a change, hopefully.
A person convicted (i.e. found guilty/sentenced) of a crime should have his/her name made part of the public record, I believe. What's the point of the Korean government/law even (publicly) stepping to state a crime has been committed -- and an investigation conducted -- and a person convicted, if said convicted person's name will be withheld.
The Korean government could just as well hide the fact that a crime/rape/murder was committed, conduct a crime investigation and find the person, give such person a trial by a judge, and sentence him/her to X number of years, keeping EVERYTHING secret (i.e. punishment, family name, crime committed, etc).
What I've heard from Koreans is that a convicted person's family will suffer shame and might be attacked. I'm open to arguments against making public a convicted person's name. I just want to hear different voices on this subject. That's why I've posted this message. |
In Canada (possibly the U.S as well?) there are laws against publishing the offender's name in certain circumstances. For example, if someone is convicted of sexual molestation of their own children, their name can not be published as it would identify the victim(s)
But going back to your question...would YOU feel comfortable going to jail knowing that everyone has seen your name and that your family may not be safe as a result of that? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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They all just become taxi drivers anyway.
I'm serious. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Korea's privacy laws (e.g. Mr. ___ Kim was convicted of. |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| richardlang wrote: |
Each time I read about a Korean person found guilty of arson/murder/rape said person's name is not stated/published -- left as "Mr. Ahn" or "Mr. Lee." In the big cases recently, a few convicted rapists/murders have been named in newspapers. But these are rare exceptions -- possibly a new wave a change, hopefully.
A person convicted (i.e. found guilty/sentenced) of a crime should have his/her name made part of the public record, I believe. What's the point of the Korean government/law even (publicly) stepping to state a crime has been committed -- and an investigation conducted -- and a person convicted, if said convicted person's name will be withheld.
The Korean government could just as well hide the fact that a crime/rape/murder was committed, conduct a crime investigation and find the person, give such person a trial by a judge, and sentence him/her to X number of years, keeping EVERYTHING secret (i.e. punishment, family name, crime committed, etc).
What I've heard from Koreans is that a convicted person's family will suffer shame and might be attacked. I'm open to arguments against making public a convicted person's name. I just want to hear different voices on this subject. That's why I've posted this message. |
In Canada (possibly the U.S as well?) there are laws against publishing the offender's name in certain circumstances. For example, if someone is convicted of sexual molestation of their own children, their name can not be published as it would identify the victim(s)
But going back to your question...would YOU feel comfortable going to jail knowing that everyone has seen your name and that your family may not be safe as a result of that? |
I don't think this applies in the U.S. but it might vary by state. My friend was molested by her dad when she was in high school and they published his full name in the paper. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| They all just become taxi drivers anyway. |
I once saw a woman jump from a moving taxi. She ran into the restaurant where I was yelling and screaming that the driver was trying to rape her.
The restaurant staff tried to calm her down with a glass of water. Otherwise nobody lifted a finger and the customers quietly continued munching on their kimchi. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Korea's privacy laws (e.g. Mr. ___ Kim was convicted of. |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| richardlang wrote: |
Each time I read about a Korean person found guilty of arson/murder/rape said person's name is not stated/published -- left as "Mr. Ahn" or "Mr. Lee." In the big cases recently, a few convicted rapists/murders have been named in newspapers. But these are rare exceptions -- possibly a new wave a change, hopefully.
A person convicted (i.e. found guilty/sentenced) of a crime should have his/her name made part of the public record, I believe. What's the point of the Korean government/law even (publicly) stepping to state a crime has been committed -- and an investigation conducted -- and a person convicted, if said convicted person's name will be withheld.
The Korean government could just as well hide the fact that a crime/rape/murder was committed, conduct a crime investigation and find the person, give such person a trial by a judge, and sentence him/her to X number of years, keeping EVERYTHING secret (i.e. punishment, family name, crime committed, etc).
What I've heard from Koreans is that a convicted person's family will suffer shame and might be attacked. I'm open to arguments against making public a convicted person's name. I just want to hear different voices on this subject. That's why I've posted this message. |
In Canada (possibly the U.S as well?) there are laws against publishing the offender's name in certain circumstances. For example, if someone is convicted of sexual molestation of their own children, their name can not be published as it would identify the victim(s)
But going back to your question...would YOU feel comfortable going to jail knowing that everyone has seen your name and that your family may not be safe as a result of that? |
Yes, because my first concern is the feelings of a convicted rapist/murderer. While I agree there are arguments on both sides of this issue, I really don't care what the criminal wants. Having said all that, I think there is a difference between violent offenders and Jimmy who got busted with a joint or for public intoxication and making his name public might affect his job or academic standing. |
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longsack22
Joined: 16 Dec 2008
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If the crime is a violent one publish the person's name...
If it is a simple crime don't release the information...
Agree with Julius on this, seems like he has it right. |
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curiousaboutkorea
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| I personally would think it better for the offender just to disappear forever without mention, as might have happened in the Soviet Union or China about 40 - 50 years ago. |
you can't be serious.... can you? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| curiousaboutkorea wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| I personally would think it better for the offender just to disappear forever without mention, as might have happened in the Soviet Union or China about 40 - 50 years ago. |
you can't be serious.... can you? |
Well, it sure would make things less complicated if people kept in line with it. Like, "Whatever happened to that guy, Mr. _____ who raped that girl up the road?"
"Such person never existed"
"B-b-but don't you re..."
"I said he never existed and that never happened. Don't do something like that or you won't have ever existed either. Got it?" |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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I think alot of the reason peoples' names are not fully published (at least haven't been until very recently) has a lot to do with the fact that Korea still places a lot of emphasis on the status and position of relatives in the family as a means to judge how they should treat you.
If you are Korean, and your father graduated from SNU, then you yourself get much more respect and better treatment (generally speaking) that if your father graduated from some 2-year school and delivers the LPG to homes in the neighborhood.
I don't think it has as much to do with threats from the general public against the family of the accused/convicted as much as it has to do with every other aspect of the families life..should the full name of the perp be made public. This is still a VERY connected country, and word gets around fast. It does not seem a far stretch to imagine that the 3rd cousin removed of a convicted felon would be denied jobs, refused loans, or other such actions because the netizens went overboard with the name of the convicted, searching and publishing the names, addresses, numbers, and other such history of anyone they could find that was remotely connected to the accused.
One of the very first things I heard when arriving i Korea in 2004 was .."there are no secrets here". "Everyone talks to everyone, and anything you do will be talked about and everyone will know it" That wasn't referring to a national media sense, but more of a local sense in that..if I was the guy in the apartment building who stayed up late at night with sexual noises coming form my apartment , the great aunt in Bucheon of the renter 2 doors down(here in Daegu) would know about it!
I think they continue to withhold the names and faces of the general criminals because they recognize full well what the citizens of such a closely-connected(and very wired) population will do indirectly to affect the lives of people that may somehow be connected, yet not involved with the crime. Personally, until the general public opens up a bit more and finds a bit of individualism, I think they are right to keep the full names private, simply so the family of those involved can at least try to have something that resembles a normal life. |
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