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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Senegal offers land to Haitians Reply with quote

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Senegal offers land to Haitians

Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians could "return to their origin"
Senegal's president says he will offer free land and "repatriation" to people affected by the earthquake in Haiti.

President Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians were sons and daughters of Africa since Haiti was founded by slaves, including some thought to be from Senegal.

"The president is offering voluntary repatriation to any Haitian that wants to return to their origin," said Mr Wade's spokesman, Mamadou Bemba Ndiaye.

Tuesday's earthquake killed tens of thousands and left many more homeless.

Buildings have been reduced to rubble, the distribution of aid is slow, and people have been flooding out of the devastated capital, Port-au-Prince.

"Senegal is ready to offer them parcels of land - even an entire region. It all depends on how many Haitians come," Mr Bemba Ndiaye said.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Haitians are at all a rational people they will jump at this offer. Free land. A "region". Wow.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hMcQ3akHeBvtnGynUahV7XeCWomw

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PARIS � Senegal's president on Sunday called for Africa to make room for victims of Haiti's earthquake to restart their lives on the continent from where their ancestors were snatched as slaves.

"The repeated calamities that befall Haiti prompt me to propose a radical solution -- to take measures to create somewhere in Africa... the conditions for Haitians to return," President Abdoulaye Wade told France Info radio.

"They did not choose to go to that island," he added, referring to the mass deportation of African slaves to Haiti, then a French colony, from the 16th century.

"It is our duty to recognise their right to come back to the land of their ancestors."


His spokesman Mamadou Bamba Ndiaye gave further details of the proposals.

"It wouldn't be the first time that former slaves or their descendants were brought back to Africa," said Wade, citing similar measures taken in Liberia.

"Now the problem is to know how, and who will bear the cost."


I suppose white-majority nations will bear the cost. I'm completely ok with that. Haiti is not a viable country and the population has exploded in spite of the reality of the economy/etc. Rather than dumping billions into a completely failed state, spend a fraction of that (or all of it) repatriating them. It makes sense.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
If the Haitians are at all a rational people they will jump at this offer. Free land. A "region". Wow.


I'm gonna speculate that there might be a bit more going on here than meet's the eye. Which region exactly is he planning to hand over to a bunch of foreigners who have never set foot in Senegal before, and, pan-Africanist rhetoric notwithstanding, likely don't have the first clue about how to function in Senegalese society? And I'd be very curious to know what sort of relations the Senegalese government has with whomever is living in that region right now.

I don't know much about Senegal, so maybe it really is just a sparsely populated place with lots of uninhabited land ready to be parceled out to anyone in need. But something about this puts me in mind of the phrase "ethnic cleansing".

Or else the president is just talking big for the international media, knowing full well that no one is going to have the wherewithal to get thousands of poor, homeless Haitians all the way over to Africa.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or else the president is just talking big for the international media, knowing full well that no one is going to have the werewithal to get thousands of poor, homeless Haitians all the way over to Africa.


I reckon this is what is happening. Giving free land in a fertile region to potentially hundreds of thousands (or more) of foreigners for reasons of racial solidarity would be difficult, to say the least.

The devil will be in the details. But if the offer is serious, it would be a very good option for Haitians, if only for the reason of free land.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked up Senegal on the Africa page.

Here is what it says:

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Country profile: Senegal


Senegal has been held up as one of Africa's model democracies. It has an established multi-party system and a tradition of civilian rule.

Although poverty is widespread and unemployment is high, the country has one of the region's more stable economies.


Overview
Overview Facts Leaders Media
For the Senegalese, political participation and peaceful leadership changes are not new. Even as a colony Senegal had representatives in the French parliament. And the promoter of African culture, Leopold Senghor, who became president at independence in 1960, voluntarily handed over power to Abdou Diouf in 1980.

AT-A-GLANCE

Politics: Abdoulaye Wade came to power in 2000, ending four decades of Socialist Party rule; he won a second term in February 2007
Economy: Agriculture drives the economy; tourism is a source of foreign exchange
International: Senegal has mediated between Sudan and Chad over Darfur tensions; many African illegal migrants use Senegal as a departure point for Europe
Security: Despite a peace deal, a low-level separatist rebellion simmers in Casamance, in the south


Timeline
The 40-year rule of Senegal's Socialist Party came to a peaceful end in elections in 2000, which were hailed as a rare democratic power transfer on a continent plagued by coups, conflict and election fraud.

Senegal is on the western-most part of the bulge of Africa and includes desert in the north and a moist, tropical south. Slaves, ivory and gold were exported from the coast during the 17th and 18th centuries and now the economy is based mainly on agriculture. The money sent home by Senegalese living abroad is a key source of revenue.

A long-running, low-level separatist war in the southern Casamance region has claimed hundreds of lives. The conflict broke out over claims by the region's people that they were being marginalised by the Wolof, Senegal's main ethnic group.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/country_profiles/1064496.stm

I am not going to assume Senegal would want to settle them there and, thus, reduce the percentage of that non-Wolof group. This small conflict is like a low scale of what happened with Biafra in Nigeria, I believe.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both countries speak French and both have comparable GDP/capita levels. Wouldn't be too much of a cultural, or standard of living shock to go there.
But I wonder what the real motivation for this is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the Other Hand, probably not an ethnic cleansing plan, you cynical, negative, chronically-suspicious leftist. Wink But I was thinking along similar lines that there is probably more than meets the eye here.

Senagal, a country I know nothing about, may have settlement/developmental plans in mind, moving into new lands within its borders (apparently there is space to take a lot of immigrants), creating new markets, strengthening its economy, etc.

But just because something is not purely altruistic, that does not mean that altruism is absolutely absent, or merely a cover for some deep, dark "true purpose," On the Other Hand.

I have always held Pan-Africanism and especially some African-Americans' "back-to-Africa" schemes as, frankly, hair-brained. Many different ethnicities, tribes, and clans divide Africa. Some of them, in fact, are ultimately responsible for hunting others down and selling them to western European traders as slaves. Others are guilty in this century of genocide.

In any case, how exactly would a descendant of some now anonymous anscestor from perhaps the sixteenth century go about pinpointing, even within 500 miles, exactly where in Africa he belonged? Further, would he speak the language there, and how would he adapt to the political economy and culture there?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Background re: Senegal

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Population (2008 est.): 12,853,259

Annual growth rate: 2%

Ethnic groups: Wolof 43%; Fulani (Peulh) and Toucouleur 23%; Serer 15%; Diola, Mandingo, and others 19%

Religions: Muslim 95%, Christian 4%, traditional 1%

Languages: French (official), Wolof, Pulaar, Serer, Diola, Mandingo, Soninke

Education: Attendance--primary 75.8%, middle school 26.5%, secondary 11% (estimated). Literacy--59.1%

Health: Infant mortality rate--60.15/1,000. Life expectancy--56.69 yrs.
Work force (4.0 million): Agriculture--70% (subsistence or cash crops). Wage earners (350,000): private sector 61%, government and parapublic 39%

Political parties: 73 political parties are registered, the most important of which are the Democratic Party of Senegal (PDS), Rewmi, Socialist Party (PS), the Alliance of Forces for Progress (AFP), "AND JEF/PADS," the Union for Democratic Renewal (URD), "JEF JEL," the National Democratic Rally (RND), the Independence and Labor Party (PIT), and the Alliance for the Republic-Yakaar

Suffrage: Universal adult, over 18

Central government budget (2009): Revenues--$2.89 billion; expenditures--$3.86 billion

Defense (2007): $133 million

Natural resources: Fish, peanuts, phosphate, iron ore, gold, titanium, oil and gas, cotton

Agriculture represents 12.4% of GDP. Products--fish, peanuts, millet, sorghum, manioc, rice, cotton, vegetables, flowers, fruit, livestock, forestry

Industry: 19.8% of GDP, of which manufacturing and construction compromise 16.3% and energy/mining represent 3.5%. Types--fish and agricultural product processing; light manufacturing; mining; and construction

Services: 55.6% of GDP, of which transport, warehousing, and communications represent 13.4% of GDP and trade 16.6% of GDP

Trade (2008): Exports--$2.05 billion: fish products, peanuts, phosphates, cotton. Major markets--Mali 19.6%, India 7.2%, France 5.5%, The Gambia 5.4%, Italy 4.9%, U.S. 0.5%. Imports--$4.26 billion: food, consumer goods, petroleum, machinery, transport equipment, petroleum products, computer equipment. Major suppliers--France 19.7%, U.K. 15.2%, China 6.7%, Belgium 4.6%, Thailand 4.4%, Netherlands 4.1%, U.S. 2%

Exchange rate: African Financial Community franc (CFA) is fixed to the euro. 656 CFA = 1 euro. 438 CFA = U.S. $1

Economic aid: The United States provided about $85.1 million in assistance to Senegal in fiscal year 2009, including $2.1 million for peace and security, $2.4 million for governing justly and democratically, $49.2 million for investing in people, and $31.4 million for economic growth

About 75% of Senegal's population is rural. In rural areas, density varies from about 77 per square kilometer (200 per sq. mi.) in the west-central region to 2 per square kilometer (5 per sq. mi.) in the arid eastern section. About 50,000 Europeans (mostly French) and Lebanese reside in Senegal, mainly in the cities. French is the official language but is used regularly only by the literate minority. All Senegalese speak an indigenous language, of which Wolof has the largest usage

President Abdoulaye Wade has advanced a liberal agenda for Senegal, including privatizations and other market-opening measures. He has a strong interest in raising Senegal's regional and international profile. The country, nevertheless, has limited means with which to implement ambitious ideas. The liberalization of the economy is proceeding, but at a slow pace. Senegal continues to play a significant role in regional and international affairs, including its successful brokering with the African Union of the June 4, 2009 agreement among the three main parties to Mauritania�s crisis regarding a return to constitutional order in Nouakchott


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher, the majority of slaves in the United States came from West Africa and they were often hailed from Senegal and Gambia and at times from near Ghana. Areas near the coast is where the Europeans would go. In Brazil, many came from Angola. I remember talking to an African American woman who I would give a ride to after her car broke down, and she told me that her grandmother would say they were of (Senegalese background). She didn't quite know where Senegal was, but that's what she said. However, she also had some Cherokee ancestry.

I am not assuming negative motives from the Senegalese Government, but I don't really think Haitians would want to move to Africa. They left Africa 400 years ago. They want to come to America.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Repatriated former slaves = another Liberia.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, I wish they had done this during Katrina!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Adventurer. I have read this or that re: American slavery, you know.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send the entire population of Haiti to Michigan, make Haiti a giant naval base/ terrorist prison, leave Guantanamo, Cuba.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Thank you, Adventurer. I have read this or that re: American slavery, you know.


Sure thing... Smile Well, since we have a general idea where African Americans came from, we could say the same for Haitians, but, of course, they were all a mixed lot. If we go based on Voodoo, then the Haitians connect to southwest Africa. That would be in the region that includes Ghana, Togo, and Benin. Voodoo appears to be an official religion in Benin.

Anyway, I am sure you knew all that. Even if we could trace them to Benin, it's not likely they would go there. And it's not likely they would go to Senegal.



http://pub47.bravenet.com/faq/show.php?usernum=3951612168&catid=98

Haitian Mambos and Hougons with ancestral blood and connection in the Arara (Allada) and Quidah ethnic lineages come to Togo and Benin to relearn to work with the Yeveh Vodou that no longer exist in Haiti. There are new Clans that spring up so often that it is difficult to keep count.

Additionally, well over 30% of all African- Americans and the diaspora have their ancestral roots in Vodoun; whose ancestors were practitioners at various levels within the Dahomean Vodoun tradition.
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