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No running water in apartment-- what recourse do I have?
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Lorilou



Joined: 01 Sep 2009
Location: Osan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:53 am    Post subject: No running water in apartment-- what recourse do I have? Reply with quote

So I woke up this morning to no running water in my apartment. I am assuming that the pipes are frozen. My principal's reaction was literally "wait to see if they thaw out". I waited all day, and obviously they stayed frozen. Despite my insistence that she call a plumber this morning, she waited until the evening and couldn't get one out here on such short notice. The earliest they can get out here is tomorrow afternoon. I went to a jinjilbang tonight to shower, use the facilities, etc.

She also said that she talked to the other tenants in the apartment and apparently the entire building's pipes are frozen (which makes me wonder if there is much a plumber will be able to do to fix it). So my question is, if the water isn't up and running by tomorrow evening, what is my recourse here? Demand that she pay for a hotel for me? And if this continues to happen all winter, can I demand that she find other living arrangements for me?
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might be SOL if it's just of a few days. You might be able to get jimgibang money, though.
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Olivencia



Joined: 08 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Refuse to teach if it continues any longer. An apartment without water is an unrentable apartment.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivencia wrote:
Refuse to teach if it continues any longer. An apartment without water is an unrentable apartment.


Nah, play it out! Go to work unshowered and unshaven with dirty clothes. They should catch on after a few days
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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do what a couple of Canadians did at my first job here in 2003. Their boiler broke down over Christmas and they had no hot water, so they refused to wash or shave until the boiler was fixed. They kept turning up to work more and more dishevelled and stinkier by the day until the boiler was fixed.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
Do what a couple of Canadians did at my first job here in 2003. Their boiler broke down over Christmas and they had no hot water, so they refused to wash or shave until the boiler was fixed. They kept turning up to work more and more dishevelled and stinkier by the day until the boiler was fixed.

Laughing That's awesome!
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Lorilou



Joined: 01 Sep 2009
Location: Osan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivencia wrote:
Refuse to teach if it continues any longer. An apartment without water is an unrentable apartment.


I see your point Olivencia, but right now going to school is the only chance I have to use working plumbing during the day. I showed up yesterday dishevelled (no shower and no clean clothes will do that to you) and my principal seemed to think it was funny. Maybe it will wear on her after a few days.

Is this is common occurence in Korea? If having no running water for a few days is something that happens frequently, then maybe that's why my principal doesn't seem to think it's that big of a deal. I guess I just don't know how big of a deal to make out of this,.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of Korean places do not fully insulate the pipes -- the older the place, the less likely there will be insulation. In Seoul, my place actually had pipes on the outside of the building, not wrapped with anything. When it gets cold, it might be necessary to let the taps run continuously (but as slowly as you can get them to run) -- that can make it harder for the pipes to freeze up....

When it has happened to me in the past, I did the jimjibang thing (actually, I had a gym membership, and just did my workout in the morning instead of in the evening).

How do you have only dirty clothes after one or two days without water?

Refusing to teach because Winter took away your water seems way too harsh to me...a problem with your apartment that is within control of the school is one thing, but severe weather is not really your school's fault.

Again, it would be a different thing if it continued for a week and the school did nothing about it or did not offer a way to deal with it, but I really don't see how this is specifically because of your school... like I said, a lot of places do not have insulation on the pipes (in fact, none of the places I have ever stayed in have had insulated pipes, and the place I am in right now has pipes running up the outside of the building). When I was in Texas, most of the places I rented did not have furnaces -- just a space-heater. The winter did not get all that cold usually, but if it did (and it did once while I was down there), things got pretty uncomfortable with just a dinky heater to keep one warm... inclement weather is inclement, and beyond the power of a school or apartment owner to control.
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Michelle



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: No running water in apartment-- what recourse do I have? Reply with quote

Lorilou wrote:
So I woke up this morning to no running water in my apartment. I am assuming that the pipes are frozen. My principal's reaction was literally "wait to see if they thaw out". I waited all day, and obviously they stayed frozen. Despite my insistence that she call a plumber this morning, she waited until the evening and couldn't get one out here on such short notice. The earliest they can get out here is tomorrow afternoon. I went to a jinjilbang tonight to shower, use the facilities, etc.

She also said that she talked to the other tenants in the apartment and apparently the entire building's pipes are frozen (which makes me wonder if there is much a plumber will be able to do to fix it). So my question is, if the water isn't up and running by tomorrow evening, what is my recourse here? Demand that she pay for a hotel for me? And if this continues to happen all winter, can I demand that she find other living arrangements for me?



Hi,

Yeah happened to me too this morning, not sure what to do call a plumber?.

The basic problem is that even if a plumber could thaw the pipes (and I am not sure) they could just freeze up again.

I doubt the hagwon/school will reimburse for a hotel since there are always saunas here and they only cost a few thousand won.

Sorry about the clothing...you can take that to a store called a ballee bang 빨리방. Say 'Sae tak kki' (washing machine) and they won't dry clean it, but they might have a dryer if you are lucky.

You could pick it up the next day.

Grab a taxi to the Ballee bang and sauna or if one of your co teachers is nice they could drive you...

Wish I could be of more help.
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vassalage



Joined: 12 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

same thing at our house....
But we found our own apartment so we are responsible for calling the landlord who sent his father who is now standing over our pipes in the laundry area with a blow dryer.....and saying ahhhh ah HA over and over again Razz

Our issue is also with the certification on the boiler...looks like it should be certified every year and it hasn't been since March 2008...it also looks like it is being held together with clay or some other such thing Razz

Anyone know if it is required to get certified every year...our apt is only supposed to be a few years old n most stuff looked good when we decided on the place but we never inspected the boiler Razz

Now i'm worried we are going to be carbon monoxied or blown up by a faulty boiler !
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recourse? It's not like she forgot to pay the bills or is refusing you water, the ENTIRE building doesn't have water! Sometimes you just have to deal with things. Time to grow up and not expect a reward or compensation for every little thing.

Your clothes are dirty (after not having water for just one day!?)? Ask her to wash them for you or find a place that will wash them for a fee (this is Korea, there are laundromats everywhere). You already figured out how to shower, so what's the big deal?
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Triban



Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn your spigot on and all the way to the hot setting...eventually it will thaw out and water will flow. In the future, leave a faucet dripping.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oskinny1 wrote:
this is Korea, there are laundromats everywhere


Well, there are cleaners everywhere; however, I haven't seen a single laundromat here off of the American bases.
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vassalage



Joined: 12 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:
the grandpa is now directing a blow torch at the boiler in hopes of thawing it out.....lovely.

There is a laundry mat in Gangnam near yeoksam station.
www.speedcleaning.net
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had frozen pipes just last week. I simply put a space heater about six inches from the pipes and turned it on full. In about 45 minutes it thawed out...and now I have running water again.
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