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bluelake
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-detroit-airline26-2009dec26,0,7667849.story?track=rss
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Syed Jafri, a U.S. citizen who had flown from the United Arab Emirates, said the incident occurred during the plane's descent, according to the Associated Press. Jafri said he was seated three rows behind the passenger and said he saw a glow and smelled smoke. Then, he said, "a young man behind me jumped on him."
"Next thing you know, there was a lot of panic," Jafri said.
Peter Smith, another passenger, told WJBK Fox 2 in Detroit that one man saw the flames and leaped across the aisle to help extinguish them. "He jumped over all the other people and he took care of it, so the fire went out," Smith said. |
Damn straight. Post 9-11, terrorists gotta worry more about the passengers than they do law enforcement. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever he had wouldn't have brought down the plane. A Firecracker like device with some flammable liquid. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:42 am Post subject: |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/25/national/main6022161.shtml
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The suspect has told federal investigators that he was sent by al Qaeda. He claims he picked up the explosive material in Yemen and was instructed to set it off on board an airplane. Those claims could not immediately be verified.
The suspect was on a U.S. government watch list of people with suspected terrorist ties. He is still being questioned.
"This does not strike us as having the earmarks of any kind of well-planned or well-orchestrated attack," a senior security official told CBS News. |
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/explosives-northwest-airlines-plane-amsterdam-detroit/story?id=9423871
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The suspect was identified as Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, who according to federal documents is an engineering student at University College of London.
He was flying from Nigeria to the United States for a religious ceremony, according to his entry visa, which was issued June 16, 2008 and was good until June 12, 2010 |
http://freep.com/article/20091225/NEWS05/91225022/1318/Reports-NWA-passenger-was-trying-to-blow-up-flight-into-Detroit
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The suspect, identified by a member of Congress as Abdul Mudallad, is a Nigerian national who claims to have ties to al-Qaida.
It was unclear today why the man wanted to attack the flight arriving from Amsterdam. |
Yeah, it is a pickle. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/12/26/2009-12-26_father_of_umar_farouk_abdul_mutallab_nigerian_terror_suspect_in_flight_253_attac.html
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The terror suspect who tried to blow up a Detroit-bound plane is the son of a Nigerian banker who alerted U.S. authorities to his "extreme religious views" months ago, it was reported Saturday.
The father, Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, a former minister and chairman of First Bank in Nigeria, is shocked that his son was even was allowed to fly to the U.S., family members told the Nigerian newspaper This Day.
The dad was meeting with security officials to discuss his son, identified as Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, 23.
The younger Mutallab was not on any no-fly list when he flew from Nigeria to Detroit through Amsterdam, Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.) told the Daily News.
When he tried to ignite powder strapped to his leg with a a chemical-filled syringe, he was tackled by a heroic passenger aboard Northwest Flight 253.
The passenger, Dutch video director Jasper Schuringa, told CNN he heard a big bang that sounded like a firecracker, then saw smoke and flames.
Schuringa said saw the man's pants were open and he was holding a burning object between his legs.
"I pulled the object from him and tried to extinguish the fire with my hands and threw it away," Schuringa said.
Schuringa grabbed Mutallab and pulled him to the front of the plane.
"He was staring into nothing," Schuringa said.
Schuringa said he stripped off the man's clothes to check for other explosives and a crew member helped handcuff him. Passengers apparently applauded his efforts as he walked back to his seat.
"My hands are pretty burned. I am fine," Schuringa said. "I am shaken up."
Schuringa was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center Friday night.
The suspect boarded the Airbus 330 - carrying 278 passengers and 11 crew members - in Amsterdam after arriving on a flight from Lagos.
He told authorities he got the explosives in Yemen and received orders from Al Qaeda operatives to detonate the device on a plane over U.S. soil, officials said.
He is an engineering student at the University College in London. His last-known address near the school is a $4 million apartment in Central London. Police were searching there Saturday morning.
This Day reported that the suspect has been known for extremist religious views since high school at the British International School in Lome, Togo.
"At the secondary school, he was known for preaching about Islam to his schoolmates and he was popularly called 'Alfa,' a local coinage for Islamic scholar," This Day reported.
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So, to recap. To prevent muslim violence on airplanes we all have to be herded like cattle, give up shampoo and shaving cream, take off our shoes etc. My better half gets full body scans every time. And then the government gives a visa to a known muslim wannabe terrorist to attend a religious ceremony.
Let me take on shampoo. Keep faruk in England. And if you're going to full body scan anybody, scan the usual suspects.
Bravo to the Dutch guy who tackled faruk.
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Bravo to the Dutch guy who tackled faruk. |
Indeed. His actions are the only positive aspect of this story.
The gov't's action/inaction in regards to this brainwashed tool (and others like him) is no longer shocking to me. Just depressing. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever he had wouldn't have brought down the plane. A Firecracker like device with some flammable liquid. |
Premature conclusion. Investigators have not yet reported to us exactly what he had and what its explosive power was.
Have you seen this report yet...?
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(CBS/AP) The suspect in the attempted bombing of Northwest Flight 253 used a highly explosive substance called PETN, a law enforcement official told CBS News Saturday.
The explosives were carried in a soft plastic container - possibly a condom - though much of the packaging was destroyed in the fire, the official said.
The FBI is questioning the suspect, identified as 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who claimed to be acting on orders from al Qaeda to blow up the airliner, officials said.
A high-ranking law enforcement official told CBS News that the suspect apparently used a syringe to inject a chemical into the powder, which was located near his groin. It is a technique not seen in previous attempted attacks and it's possible that this incident was a test of whether the materials could pass screening and how effective they might be at causing damage, the source said.
According to Encyclopedia Brittanica, PETN is a highly explosive, colorless organic compound, and is related to nitroglycerin. Introduced as an explosive after World War I, PETN is "valued for its shattering force and efficiency ... and is the least stable of the common military explosives but retains its properties in storage for longer periods than nitroglycerin or cellulose nitrate (nitrocellulose) does."
PETN is also used in heart medication as a stimulant. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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50g of PETN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZENvUVG6TE
Here's the TSA response:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581186,00.html
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WASHINGTON � Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing
The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day.
Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in U.S. airspace. The airline said that during the final hour of flight passengers must remain seated. They won't be allowed access to carryon baggage or to have any items on their laps.
Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules. Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and couldn't have items in their laps, including laptops and pillows. |
What will be next? You'll be required to sit, not use your iPod, ask permission to use the can (and be escorted) and have no access to your carry on. Wait, carry on? They'll do away with that too. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27security.html
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Additional Layer of Restrictions Is Imposed on Airline Passengers
In the wake of the terrorism attempt Friday on a Northwest Airlines flight, federal officials on Saturday imposed a new layer of restrictions on travelers that could lengthen lines at airports and limit the ability of international passengers to move about an airplane.
Among other steps being imposed, passengers on international flights coming to the United States will apparently have to remain in their seats for the last hour of a flight without any personal items on their laps. Overseas passengers will be restricted to only one carry-on item aboard the plane, and domestic passengers will probably face longer security lines.
The restrictions will again change the routine of air travel, which has undergone an upheaval since the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington in September 2001 and three attempts at air terrorism since then.
Just a day after the attempt on Friday, travelers at airports around the world began experiencing heightened screening in security lines. On one flight, from Newark Airport, flight attendants kept cabin lights on for the entire trip instead of dimming them for takeoff and landing. |
Thanks Britain, your little problem is now our little problem:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6891348/Detroit-attack-Umar-Farouk-Abdulmutallab-from-London-student-to-jihadist.html
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| According to a Nigerian source based in the US, a relation of Abdulmutallab�s had claimed that the student, from a Muslim family, had been �recruited� to a more militant form of Islam in London. |
All the fuss about the ROK getting the visa waver.. What a joke.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northwest-flight-saved-failed-detonator/story?id=9426532
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Officials: Only A Failed Detonator Saved Northwest Flight
Screening Machines May Need to Be Replaced; Al Qaeda Aware of 'Achilles heel'
Officials now say tragedy was only averted on Northwest flight 253 because a makeshift detonator failed to work properly.
Bomb experts say there was more than enough explosive to bring down the Northwest jet, which had nearly 300 people aboard, had the detonator not failed, and the nation's outdated airport screening machines may need to be upgraded.
"We've known for a long time that this is possible," said Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism czar and ABC News consultant, "and that we really have to replace our scanning devices with more modern systems."
Clarke said full body scans were needed, "but they're expensive and they're intrusive. They invade people's privacy."
The bomb was built and the plot organized, say U.S. officials, by al Qaeda leaders in Yemen, just north of the capital city of Sanaa.
Abdulmutallab was on a terrorism watch list, but not on a no-fly list. Said Clarke, "So once again, we have the U.S. government, as in the case of the Fort Hood attacks, knowing about someone, knowing that they were suspicious, but that information didn't get to the right people in time." |
Yes. All "people" need to go through a full body scan because some "people" keep trying to blow up airplanes.
How far will this PC nonsense be pushed? There must be a breaking point, no? There has to be. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| How far will this PC nonsense be pushed? There must be a breaking point, no? There has to be. |
Ha! I just found the person Mises' fake vote may go to for Senate 2010. He may have voted for cap & trade, but he did say this:
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"I'm OK with discrimination against young Arab males from terrorist-producing states. I'm OK with that," Kirk said. "I think that when we look at the threat that's out there, young men between, say, the ages of 18 and 25 from a couple of countries, I believe a certain amount of intense scrutiny should be placed on them.
"I'm not threatened by people from China. I'm not even threatened by people from Mexico. I just know where the threat is from. It's from a unique place, and I think it's OK to recognize that."
Kirk (R-Ill.), speaking at a nanotechnology conference at Northwestern University, had talked about China gaining an economic advantage over the United States, producing 10 times the number of engineers as the United States. |
http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews.php?file=cst11062005
In other words. He wants to restrict immigration from islamic nations while extending visa opportunities to citizens of Latin America and NE Asia.
Oh, and he is also on CAIR's crap list. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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We'll never forgive you for killing Lennon. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Russell Brand is still alive and living in LA. The Americans win.
How many lives have been saved by muslim incompetence?
Anyways, back to the goods. Remember root causes? Oh, if only there was no inequality.. These young men would have jobs and stuff to do.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wealthy-quiet-unassuming-the-christmas-day-bomb-suspect-1851090.html
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With his wealth, privilege and education at one of Britain's leading universities, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab had the world at his feet � able to choose from a range of futures in which to make his mark on the world.
Instead, the son of one of Nigeria's most important figures opted to make his impact in a very different way � by detonating 80g of explosives sewn into his underpants, and trying to destroy a passenger jet as it came in to land at Detroit Airport on Christmas Day.
Abdulmutallab, 23, had lived a gilded life, and, for the three years he studied in London, he stayed in a �2m flat. He was from a very different background to many of the other al-Qa'ida recruits who opt for martyrdom.
Abdulmutallab's father, Umaru, is the former economics minister of Nigeria. He retired earlier this month as the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria but is still on the boards of several of Nigeria's biggest firms, including Jaiz International, a holding company for the Islamic Bank. The 70-year-old, who was also educated in London, holds the Commander of the Order of the Niger as well as the Italian Order of Merit.
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The whole article is worth a read.
Every time some muslim does something crazy and goes on a kafir killing spree the media always reports the same things
1) he was quiet
2) he was polite
3) he didn't have many friends (outside of mosque)
4) he prayed lots
Etc. I think we have a cultural issue in profiling. A crazy christian will stand out like a sore thumb on a college campus. The symptoms are assertiveness etc. A crazy muslim will be 1) quiet 2) polite 3) friendless (kafir friends, that is) and 4) quietly practicing his special little obsession. |
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mises
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| In other words. He wants to restrict immigration from islamic nations while extending visa opportunities to citizens of Latin America and NE Asia. |
Entirely reasonable.
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| Oh, and he is also on CAIR's crap list. |
He should put that on his CV. |
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beck's
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I think that we have to get rid of the PC nonsense that presently informs security on transportation systems in the west. We don't have the resources to treat everyone equally when it comes to transportation security. We can't be spending our precious resources searching granny from Vermont and Abdul from Pakistan with the same thoroughness.
On western airlines, trains, subways and busses there should be a manditory body and luggage search of all Muslims, including those holding citizenship in western countries. I know that not all Muslims are terrorists but the vast majority of terrorists now operating in the world are Muslims. We need to recognize that many terrorists are of the "home-grown" variety. That is not a racist statement. It's just a fact.
Temporary visa applications made by Muslims to enter western countries should be very carefully inspected and refused for even the slightest irregularity. All new applications for citizenship should be refused.
We are under attack. We are at war and we live in perilous times. |
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Adventurer
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I think that we have to get rid of the PC nonsense that presently informs security on transportation systems in the west. We don't have the resources to treat everyone equally when it comes to transportation security. We can't be spending our precious resources searching granny from Vermont and Abdul from Pakistan with the same thoroughness.
On western airlines, trains, subways and busses there should be a manditory body and luggage search of all Muslims, including those holding citizenship in western countries. I know that not all Muslims are terrorists but the vast majority of terrorists now operating in the world are Muslims. We need to recognize that many terrorists are of the "home-grown" variety. That is not a racist statement. It's just a fact.
Temporary visa applications made by Muslims to enter western countries should be very carefully inspected and refused for even the slightest irregularity. All new applications for citizenship should be refused.
We are under attack. We are at war and we live in perilous times. |
I think that's ridiculous that all applicants for citizenship should be refused.
I have a friend who has been in the US for 16 years.
He just applied.He is from Syria and doesn't actually care about religious differences.He actually said back in the 90s that America shouldn't just have easy immigration and entry from Mexicans or people from the Middle East. He didn't call for closing immigration, but he didn't understand the extremely open-door policy at that time. I didn't, either. I don't think you should have so much illegal immigration or having immigration without assimilation procedures like Holland.
People should take culture classes before becoming citizens and learn the history and culture.
How do you determine who is a Muslim and who is not amongst Arabs? Some are Christian? Should they fill out an ID card stating their beliefs: Christian, agnostic, Muslim, non-religious?
This man's father thought his son had many problems and was surprised he was allowed on a plane. Yes, those attacking the US are of Islamic background. I believe people like this Nigerian are used as tools to try to stop the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq by trying to make the American public angry and turn against the government. That would have the opposite effect, I think.
This thing done by this dysfunctional Nigerian from a wealthy family is really annoying. He had everything going for him, but he decided to become a misfit. |
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