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Pat Robertson blames Satan for Haitian earthquake
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Pat Robertson blames Satan for Haitian earthquake Reply with quote

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Televangelist Pat Robertson said Wednesday that earthquake-ravaged Haiti has been "cursed" by a "pact to the devil."

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it," he said on Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club." "They were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you'll get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it's a deal."



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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read about this too. Pat Robertson is referring to Dutty Boukman who was a vodoun priest and he performed a ceremony to drive the French out, was later executed, and this led to the Haitian Revolution.

Haiti is actually mostly a Christian nation but many people also practice Voodoo/Vodou however you want to spell it.

I guess we should expect an evangelical Christian to be religiously intolerant but to make such an asinine statement during a tragedy is really putting his foot in his mouth.
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mattwhy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has Pat Robertson ever "had it" to begin with? When a school board in Pennsylvania chose to teach actual science in their classrooms, he spouted this gem:

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there."
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Marc Ravalomanana



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertson has a well-established pattern of gloating over mass deaths. It's what he does. I'm finding it hard to be shocked.

Robertson also claims he can leg press 2000 lbs.--this at age 79!
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought he was dead?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't he also say God told him who would win the presidential election, but that he was keeping it a secret because he didn't want to be made fun of? How can people seriously follow this guy?
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor Pat. I thought you were going to say he had finally lost his virginity.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether they believe it or think it's abhorrent, I think a lot of people enjoy hearing stuff like this every time a disaster happens because it always gets a lot of media attention
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Julius



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Haitian ambassador claims that South america was freed by Bolivar as a result of the Haitian uprising against the French...and that the US acquired Louisiana cheaply as a result.

Now that may have some merit, but isn't it equivalent to claiming that we all owe Julius caesar a debt of gratitude for defeating the Egyptians because if he hadn't the path of world history would have been different?

Bolivar would simply have docked at a different port and the US would've defeated the French anyway.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speechless.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe, Robertson is doing this just for money. Who knows? I remember Robert Tilton, in Texas, had to quit the Tele-evangelist business because he was exposed as a fraud. I think it's rich to say 50,000 people died because of some alleged pact with a devil.
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Olivencia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Robertson is seriously wrong but I was wondering why (and not because of the earthquake) the Dominican Republic seems to be better off economically and in other areas as well.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you take Pat Robertson's "analysis" at face value -- especially when he places the Haitian rebellion and independence wars and Napoleon III in the same event?

The Dominican Republic suffered extreme instability from independence into 1930 (something like 30 presidents in 30 years at one point in its history), whereupon a strongman named Rafael Trujillo became probably Latin America's most brutal dictator ever. He hanged some enemies on meat hooks while still alive; he fed others to the sharks; one American foreign service officer compared him to Count Dracula in one cable. Dominicans finally assassinated him in summer 1961. Then the nation cascaded into chaos between 1961 and 1965. When it became bad enough that it looked as if Fidel Castro might be positioning himself to exploit it and assist exiled Dominican communists seize power (he was using Cuba and Venezuela as staging areas), the Johnson administration intervened and restored order.

Eventually another, this time more benevolent, dictator held power through, I believe, sometime in the 1990s. The Dominican Republic is currently relatively stable and it may have finally found permanent stability. Who knows? This notwithstanding, Pat Robertson certainly does not.

Pat Roberston, if there is any method at all to his madness, is surely looking at the Dominican Republic as a Catholic nation and Haiti as a nation constructed by former slaves, where vodoo, for example, and other non-Christian religions, remain in practice. And this must be what informed his thinking when he said this.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now that may have some merit, but isn't it equivalent to claiming that we all owe Julius caesar a debt of gratitude for defeating the Egyptians because if he hadn't the path of world history would have been different?


No, not at all.

The French army was defeated, mostly by yellow fever, but still. Napoleon (I) made a strategic decision to sell Louisiana to the US and use the money to fight the British rather than recruit another army to fight in Haiti. There is a direct connection between the fate of the French army in Haiti and the doubling of the size of the US. A very weakly held Louisiana under the French who would have had major trouble defending it may have been too tempting a prize for the British to ignore. A Louisiana held by the US (though weakly) would not have tempted the British in 1803 (not true in 1815).
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Sector7G



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, it was an honest mistake on Pat's part. He thought they said Hades.
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