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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:10 am Post subject: Domestic violence at Hanaro Mart |
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I just witnessed my first full-on display of domestic violence, not just in Korea, but in my entire life. I was picking up my favorite chocolate muffin from Hanaro Mart when a man next to me started yelling at the bakery worker about something, picked up a few donuts, and threw them on the floor. He then proceeded to grab her jacket and was about to strike her when his friend intervened and grabbed him and the worker ran away. The man's wife (at least I'm pretty sure it was his wife) said something that set the angry man off and he started swearing up a storm, grabbed his wife by the shoulders, and JUST THREW her as hard as he could onto the ground. His friend then pulled him off before he looked like he was going to tee off on her with some ground and pound and the two walked out of the store. Of course, the store manager comes way to late and after straightening some bread on a shelf, goes back to whatever he was doing prior. All this time, the woman is still on the floor. She sits up, and my gyopo friend asks her if she's alright. The women just said, "Please, just leave." Perhaps embarrassment? All I know is it was a sad thing to see.
What I learned shortly after the whole debacle was the man had apparently picked up a few donuts/assorted breads and was sampling them and putting them back. When the worker asked him to stop, he went off on some tirade about how she was female and younger than him and he was going to teach her a lesson. He wasn't even drunk, which I think was the most shocking part. Just a straight up d*** through and through. I wanted to step in, but after reading this forum for a while, I figured I'm good without spending my next few nights behind bars.
I can't help but feel a bit responsible for this whole thing escalating to where it did, though. Huh. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Domestic violence at Hanaro Mart |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
I just witnessed my first full-on display of domestic violence, not just in Korea, but in my entire life. I was picking up my favorite chocolate muffin from Hanaro Mart when a man next to me started yelling at the bakery worker about something, picked up a few donuts, and threw them on the floor. He then proceeded to grab her jacket and was about to strike her when his friend intervened and grabbed him and the worker ran away. The man's wife (at least I'm pretty sure it was his wife) said something that set the angry man off and he started swearing up a storm, grabbed his wife by the shoulders, and JUST THREW her as hard as he could onto the ground. His friend then pulled him off before he looked like he was going to tee off on her with some ground and pound and the two walked out of the store. Of course, the store manager comes way to late and after straightening some bread on a shelf, goes back to whatever he was doing prior. All this time, the woman is still on the floor. She sits up, and my gyopo friend asks her if she's alright. The women just said, "Please, just leave." Perhaps embarrassment? All I know is it was a sad thing to see.
What I learned shortly after the whole debacle was the man had apparently picked up a few donuts/assorted breads and was sampling them and putting them back. When the worker asked him to stop, he went off on some tirade about how she was female and younger than him and he was going to teach her a lesson. He wasn't even drunk, which I think was the most shocking part. Just a straight up d*** through and through. I wanted to step in, but after reading this forum for a while, I figured I'm good without spending my next few nights behind bars.
I can't help but feel a bit responsible for this whole thing escalating to where it did, though. Huh. |
Imagine if a foreigner did that? It'd be national news.
I generally find things like that too hard to avoid intervening. "He's going to teach her a lesson".....um, "how about someone teach you a lesson for the first time in your entire life?" |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| I've seen men beating on women twice while in Korea. I've only been here for a year. |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Let the Koreans deal with the Koreans. Stay out of it and all other situations like this no matter what! For when it comes to down to your word against any of them (even if there are cameras) you don't have a chance. |
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hugekebab

Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| Let the Koreans deal with the Koreans. Stay out of it and all other situations like this no matter what! For when it comes to down to your word against any of them (even if there are cameras) you don't have a chance. |
Yup if they beat each other up that's up to them. Any fights here are basically family fights (even with strangers) and we ain't family. |
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sarbonn

Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Don't get involved. At all. Even back in the United States, the advice is ALWAYS avoid getting involved in a domestic dispute. More often than not, the woman you jumped in to help will turn on you as well. I can't tell you how many cases I've seen where a man was yelling at/beating his woman when someone else intervened and that woman started in on the guy who interrupted, joining in with her partner against the intruder.
Just not worth it. And you're always going to be in the wrong. That's not anything to do with Korea; that's everything to do with domestic disputes. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: |
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I got involved in a fight between two Koreans in Itaewon a few months ago. Some Korean dude absolutely roundhouse-clocked a woman out in front of the 7/11. She got up and he knocked her down again -- first one was a punch to the neck, and the 2nd was alongside the head. I jumped in (more like walked in) and what appeared to be an African/Canadian guy did too, for a short time. Basically, I just calmly grabbed the guys arm, told him I was a friend, and stood between him and the girl. I moved slowly, calmly, and sort of held the guy back as he pitched a fit at the woman. I basically acted like a Korean guy would. I didn't threaten him, hit him, or anything like that. I just held him back and calmly let him know I was his friend. The woman swore at him, ran into the 7/11, and he then followed, where I stood between him and her again. It looked like he was about to knock over a row of stuff, but didn't. She took off running down the street and left her shoes.
Yeah, I don't get involved in stuff, but this one was bad enough that I decided I just had to. Then again, I also carry blood money insurance as a part of my policy, so I'm covered in the event something happens.
Before I jumped in, I considered the guy's age. He was near my age, and not a small Korean man by any means (I'm not so small, either).
I then casually left soon after she did. Probably saved him some money. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Then again, I also carry blood money insurance as a part of my policy, so I'm covered in the event something happens. |
It really is a sad reflection on Korean culture when there's such a thing as blood money insurance. What's the limit on that?
My biggest worry is getting into an altercation with some Korean guy who threatens my Korean girlfriend when I am with her. In the UK, I would put him down if necessary; here, it could cost me and arm and a leg if I planned to reasonably defend myself. My word and that of a young Korean female over that of an Adjeossi's? I don't think so! |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| I won't lie, when I read stuff like this I like fantasize about how I would knock the guy out cold or choke him unconscious and just run away. I've never seen a situation like this go down but I'm kind of worried about how I will react if and when I actually do, because I'm not sure if I'll be able to resist the urge to jump in, no matter how much I know I'll regret it later. Koreans can be so disgustingly sexist and violent towards women that sometimes it makes feel physically ill and want to throw up. It's the kind of thing that just brings out that indignant, righteous anger, which is truly intoxicating. |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
I got involved in a fight between two Koreans in Itaewon a few months ago. Some Korean dude absolutely roundhouse-clocked a woman out in front of the 7/11. She got up and he knocked her down again -- first one was a punch to the neck, and the 2nd was alongside the head. I jumped in (more like walked in) and what appeared to be an African/Canadian guy did too, for a short time. Basically, I just calmly grabbed the guys arm, told him I was a friend, and stood between him and the girl. I moved slowly, calmly, and sort of held the guy back as he pitched a fit at the woman. I basically acted like a Korean guy would. I didn't threaten him, hit him, or anything like that. I just held him back and calmly let him know I was his friend. The woman swore at him, ran into the 7/11, and he then followed, where I stood between him and her again. It looked like he was about to knock over a row of stuff, but didn't. She took off running down the street and left her shoes.
Yeah, I don't get involved in stuff, but this one was bad enough that I decided I just had to. Then again, I also carry blood money insurance as a part of my policy, so I'm covered in the event something happens.
Before I jumped in, I considered the guy's age. He was near my age, and not a small Korean man by any means (I'm not so small, either).
I then casually left soon after she did. Probably saved him some money. |
This is quite important. if any of the internet super heroes here want to get involved, they've either got to do this or its going to end badly for them even if they think they've saved the day.
they could end up on the hook for a lot of blood money, deported or locked up.
The one time I've seen anyone be genuinely violent here, a young guy intervened. There was this crazy guy trying to hide behind this woman's store on a train platform. No idea why. It was like a bigger booth, not one of the small ones. There was a couple feel behind it and for some reason he wanted to be behind there and she didn't want him to be. He started ranting and at one point came over to hit the woman. A younger guy, maybe fresh out of uni or something came rushing over and got between them. He didn't seem to say anything, but he also didn't challenge the guy. he just stood between them looking down and away.
it stopped the guy from hitting here and even though he had to run back over 3 times, the guy never attacked him. If he'd instead decided to "teach the guy a lesson" it could have been a lot worse. The guy was clearly off his rocker and one or both of them could have ended up in front of a train. |
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milspecs

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:40 am Post subject: |
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saw a old drunk dude in the Hongdae station yelling at a bunch of people about something. but mainly just yelling at this one young guy and his gf
maybe like 5-6 people were holding him back in to a corner, old drunk guy then kicks the guys GF in the stomach and she just keels over and starts crying. the BF just starts yelling more (he was also recording it the whole time with his phone) then the old drunk dude bitch slaps the guys GF again when she gets up from the floor.
then the cops came and ruined all the fun |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Savant wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| Then again, I also carry blood money insurance as a part of my policy, so I'm covered in the event something happens. |
It really is a sad reflection on Korean culture when there's such a thing as blood money insurance. What's the limit on that? |
I will have to look again. It's something like 10 million, 50 million, or 100 million. Honestly don't remember. It comes standard with Samsung All-Life.
Yeah, there are so many people cheating for insurance money (they're called nylon patients here because they sit in the hospital for 2 weeks but go out to eat in their bedclothes with friends and carry an IV drip the whole way) that they have to include this. Ever seen a bus accident (even a minor one)? I've walked past a few in my time, and even saw a minor, minor accident where a boatload of Koreans came rolling out of the thing acting like they had hit a wall at 100kms/hr. It was comical. Two people got out and laid down on the ground while a share of the rest hobbled around complaining of sore backs. The accident was barely a fender-bender. |
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dbmctague
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Outside of Ssangmun Station on Line 4 I saw a man beating up his, I assume, wife and dragging her around in a circle by the hair. A huge crowd formed around and just looked on. The wife managed to escape and ran towards a food stand and started ramshackling the place, taking her frustration and embarrassment out on the food instead of her husband (probably scared to death of him). Then, and only then, did someone (the food stand owner) intervene to break up the fight...
Well...didn't really break it up. He simply moved them away from his food stand where the husband then took her to a side alley and continued to assault her. That's when I had to catch my bus. |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Saw an Adjuma laying into some dude with some mean punches to the head, very entertaining! |
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richardlang
Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| In Korea, what's the point at which you can step in comfortably knowing you won't be blamed or sued by any parties/cops for intervening? Rape? |
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