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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:38 pm Post subject: Trolls on Dave's Korean Jobs board |
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From time to time I post ads on the Korean Job board for when I need to find teachers, and for the most part, the response is quite good.
Professional cover letters and resumes. Well-informed candidates with good experience.
But every now and then you get the trolls. The people that are so bored with their lives that they have to mass email the recruiters with crap like:
From: "e-oohata" <[email protected] (removed for discretion)>
To: XX (removed for discretion)@yahoo.com
Subject: Mr White
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:08:06 +0900
You have got some major flaws in your writing! Basically, you come accross as an uneducated American idiot trying to sound intelligent! Retard! Give it up!
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I've had a few ones like this in the few handful of times that I've posted ads and I can't imagine what gets sent to the guys that advertise regularly.
Despite the contempt that some have towards recruiters and schools, this really doesn't make the situation any better.
My thanks goes out to the 99% of the rest of you that retains professionalism when seeking jobs.
Regards,
CP |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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I like the ones that say,
"hey...lookin for a job......send me info....cheers...." |
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Toby
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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We were recruiting recently and the pictures people send you are the funniest - Here's me on the beach, or, Does it help my chances if there is a picture of me with a Korean child on my lap?
And. I want to work in your school. When can I start? EXCUSE ME? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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I also like the Eastern Europeans who apply for native speaker positions and demand 2.5 million per month.
or, the 50 year old college professor who applies for a kindi position...  |
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Funny, I always thought that the funniest thing was the recruiters trying to sell me on 2.0 won jobs when I have more experience than their whole staff combined.
"I have the perfect job for you!"
"Wait till you see this offer!"
"Best job in Korea!"
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Recruiters seem to have just sprung up like bad weeds in the past year or so.
These people are trying to grab a buck just like the hagwon owners. Most of them didn't like teaching and thought it would be a good idea to try to sell teachers to hagwons. They just mark up the price of English education in Korea.
I don't think they are needed and deserve to be trolled.
How many professional teachers back in Canada or anwhere else use a recruiter to get a job? The best way is to sell yourself and make your own contact. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
or, the 50 year old college professor who applies for a kindi position... |
Beware of pedophiles. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
Recruiters seem to have just sprung up like bad weeds in the past year or so.
These people are trying to grab a buck just like the hagwon owners. They just mark up the price of English education in Korea.
I don't think they are needed and deserve to be trolled.
How many professional teachers back in Canada or anwhere else use a recruiter to get a job? The best way is to sell yourself and make your own contact |
While I agree that there are many greedy and shady recruiters and hagwons, there are more than just a few that are reputable, that do not deserve to be painted by the same brush as the ones that bring the industry down.
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| Most of them didn't like teaching and thought it would be a good idea to try to sell teachers to hagwons. |
As for the comment about 'most of them didn't like teaching', I for one, am a teacher first, and a recruiter second. I got into this business accidently after making a lot of contacts and connections over time. Many times I know enough teachers personally that can work the jobs that I hear about, and can refer a friend. Sometimes, I have more jobs than teachers and I have to advertise here. And, no, my situation isn't the exception to the rule.
And also, I did market research on the recruiting industry last year and profiled 70+ different agencies that are in this racket in one way or another. You drop words like 'most of them'. Would you then estimate that 50-60 of them do not like teaching, seen as you've been in touch with as many to offer this fact, or do you have a more accurate figure stemming from your research?
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| I don't think they are needed and deserve to be trolled. |
Deserved to be trolled? Have you not thought that this will further aggravate the vicious circle of untrustworthy teachers, recruiters, and schools? Each party doesn't trust the other and trolling the job board just widens the gap further.
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| How many professional teachers back in Canada or anwhere else use a recruiter to get a job? |
I can show you a ton of resumes of applicants that have MA TESOL's or PhD's in English. Teachers that have 7 or 8 years of ESL experience in Korea or elsewhere. Don't assume. You'd be surprised who uses Dave's job boards.
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| The best way is to sell yourself and make your own contact |
And finally, although your last bit of advice is good and what I would even recommend, in hopes that a fellow teacher can avoid one of the bad recruiters, you have to appreciate that the amount of jobs advertised directly online represents a microcosm of the available job market over here. Although you do see ones that have their head foreigner teacher put ads online or a Korean owner who speaks good english and is net-savvy with esl sites, the preferred and most traditional method for directors to find teachers is through agencies.
I think, speaking as a teacher and a recruiter, better advice to finding a job is to play the whole field and do your research. In other words, in addition to trying to apply and contact schools directly, get your resume out to as many recruiters as possible, to yield the most results. Hell, you could always say 'no' to a recruiter's job offer, can't you?
Once you have a good selection of offers, make sure that you are able to talk to the teachers there, past and present. Filter further from there, then trust your gut. |
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:04 am Post subject: |
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What skills do you need in Korea to recruit?
What experience?
The answer to both these questions in none. I've yet to meet a recruiter in Korea with experience back home in H.R. or and M.B.A. with an H.R. specialty. Korean recruiters are the same. No education or experience outside of the hogwan 'industry'. Not the most skilled workers in Korea.
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Mankind, I agree with you on that.
That's why there are many agencies that pop up and close down. Anyone can do it. And this is what draws in a lot of money-hungry players.
The actual marketing for teachers/interviewing/contract-visa process is really easy. The after-service to make sure that your teacher is looked after and is doing well in a new culture is the real challenge, and is what makes the difference between a good one and a bad one. Who cares about the quick buck or cares about cultivating relationships for future business/word-of-mouth. A lot of recruiters that I have met don't give a rat's ass about A/S, and that's their eventual downfall.
However, I just don't agree with the earlier poster's generalizations and condoning of trolling.
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Mankind wrote: |
What skills do you need in Korea to recruit?
What experience?
The answer to both these questions in none. I've yet to meet a recruiter in Korea with experience back home in H.R. or and M.B.A. with an H.R. specialty. Korean recruiters are the same. No education or experience outside of the hogwan 'industry'. Not the most skilled workers in Korea.
HAND |
The lure of "easy money" always draws such types.
By the way... um... er... why are we here?  |
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| By the way... um... er... why are we here? |
Quite night tonight. Spend the big bucks at a Hotel tomorrow.
HAND |
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