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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: Masters degree no Bachelor degree Reply with quote

Are there any other people here in this category?

In Australia people with practical experience can be admitted to a Master degree without completing the Bachelor degree. You are not buying a degree, as all of the work at the masters level must be successfully completed in order to graduate.

This week I was told by EPIK and a university that they would not consider me because I don't have a degree. I find this offensive as they may not like the entry method I used but I successfully completed a Masters degree. But hey it's their country.

Go to Japan would be the obvious answer as the Japanese can accept that not everything happens the same as in their country. I have spoken to JET and they will accept my qualifications, however my wife is Korean and not the biggest fan of this idea. Added to that the cost of living in Japan does scare me especially with a newborn on the way.

Returning to Australia is the other obvious idea however I am concerned as to how long it would take to get a job back home. Prior to leaving Australia I was offered a mid level job with a fortune 500 company. It took 5 months from application to receiving the letter of offer. I don't want to be a new father and unemployed for 5 months or possibly longer.

I am finally concerned about the damage almost 4 years here has done to my career. I guess I will be starting again and not seeing the heights of middle management for some time yet.

It is quite easy to beat myself up now: I should have learned Korean; I should have applied for a job related to my qualifications sooner; I should have saved money; and I should have completed my Bachelor degree after high school.

I am asking if anyone has any practical advice for me as I am a little overwhelmed and shocked at the moment.

Cheers
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Uni offered Master of Teaching course. Most students had bachelors but people with 10 years or more experience in some field (can't remember exactly what) were admitted. If one had passed it, one would've received a teaching licence, and a masters degree. That's one case of masters without bachelor, I suppose.
Tell us more about your masters degree, then. Also, you don't mention hagwon. Don't they accept you either?
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the ireland



Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's fairly standard in Ireland to be accepted into a masters course with a relevant amount of experience in the field you are looking to study in. If famous people can be awarded honours degrees on nothing but their fame I don't see why hard working people who didn't have the opportunity or chose not to do their bachelors degree can't be accepted on to a masters course to work had and gain it too.

as for your problem, i can't help you on it. But I would hope some sense is seen and you can apply.
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Wad



Joined: 19 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was always under the impression that for an E-2 visa a four year degree was required. But having said that, there is a teacher at my university with two master's degrees (Linguistics and Educational Technology) and no undergraduate degree. Not sure if immigration is actually aware of it but she has managed to get away it with for about 10 years.

Her husband also works for the university and at one point they both applied for university jobs in the Middle East. The husband was offered a job, but she wasn't due to the fact she had no undergraduate degree.

I've also heard of people jumping from a Bachelors degree into Doctoral programs. However I think the requirements would include a large amount of coursework in addition to the research component.
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to enter my degree after 10 years work experience and 1 semester of undergraduate.

The four year degree for an E2 visa is a myth, as Commonwealth countries generally have 3 years Bachelor degrees with an option 4th year for honours.

I have held two E2 visa's and managed to have E2 permission added to an E7 at another time.

As far as working in hagwons, I am concerned that there will be a crackdown. My wife used to work in a hagwon and recently received a please explain from the tax office as to the low earnings the hagwon declared for her. I am also untrusting of wonjangnims in general due to past experiences.

When I was at university, I also met people who had received entry to PhD programs with no formal qualifications but with extensive research and work experience.

I think I might have found a way around this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor%27s_Degree_Examination_for_Self-Education I just need to get my wife to check it out and I can have a Haksa in 1 year in Korea without going to university, and they critcise my qualifications.


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Wad



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
I was able to enter my degree after 10 years work experience and 1 semester of undergraduate.

When I was at university, I also met people who had received entry to PhD programs with no formal qualifications but with extensive research and work experience.


Hmm...life experience degrees are not "usually" accredited. Most are considered degree mills. Care to state what university you got your degree?

With regards to the Korean self-education degree. I would imagine that it wouldn't be much use outside of Korea, if even accepted in Korea, and could be quite difficult it was of any real value. But I've been wrong before!
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wad wrote:
Hmm...life experience degrees are not "usually" accredited. Most are degree mills. Care to state what university you got your degree?

With regards to the Korean self-education degree. I would imagine that it wouldn't be much use outside of Korea, if even accepted in Korea, and could be quite difficult it was of any real value. But I've been wrong before!


Wad I said 'enter the program' with work experience not get the degree. I attended the campus 3 years part time. Lectures were from 6pm to 9pm but most lecturers finished before 8.30pm.

As far as the university it was Griffith University and here is the entry rule [url] http://www17.griffith.edu.au/cis/p_cat/admission.asp?ProgCode=5311&Type=apply#0
[/url] although I note that they have cut the work experience to 5 years since I graduated.
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Wad



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies big-fella1,

I assumed it was a undergraduate degree. Not a graduate business degree.

What I did find interesting was your point about being able to enter a PhD program based on life experience. Was this also done at Griffin University?

A lot of universities in Canada will also allow specific professional candidates into their graduate business programs. (e.g., CPA, CFA, CA, CMA, etc.) But these are normally either financial or accounting qualifications. But I imagine a person with 10 years of management experience might also be accepted.


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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wad wrote:
My apologies big-fella1,

I assumed it was a undergraduate degree. What I did find interesting was your point about being able to enter a PhD program based on life experience. Was this also done at Griffith University?


Yes Griffith University see here for the RHD Qualifying program http://www.griffith.edu.au/research-higher-degrees/programs/research-higher-degree-qualifying-program
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A degree is a degree...period. It can be in basket weaving. Now....I have never been asked for my BA when applying and I have only submitted my Master's.
As long as the degree is not fake, can be verified as real..one is good to go.
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candyteacher



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I did find interesting was your point about being able to enter a PhD program based on life experience. Was this also done at Griffin University?


I dont think its "Life Experience" hes talking about, its work experience and research. This is common for alot of masters degrees and phds, along with passing a proficiency test, to ensure applicants are actually able for study.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This week I was told by EPIK and a university that they would not consider me because I don't have a degree. I find this offensive as they may not like the entry method I used but I successfully completed a Masters degree. But hey it's their country.

You say you're married to a Korean right?
Are you on an F2 now?
Have you gone directly to the ministry of education and gotten yourself registered as a teacher? It seems to me like there should be more than one way to go about this.
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hugekebab



Joined: 05 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Masters degree no Bachelor degree Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
Are there any other people here in this category?

In Australia people with practical experience can be admitted to a Master degree without completing the Bachelor degree. You are not buying a degree, as all of the work at the masters level must be successfully completed in order to graduate.

This week I was told by EPIK and a university that they would not consider me because I don't have a degree. I find this offensive as they may not like the entry method I used but I successfully completed a Masters degree. But hey it's their country.

Go to Japan would be the obvious answer as the Japanese can accept that not everything happens the same as in their country. I have spoken to JET and they will accept my qualifications, however my wife is Korean and not the biggest fan of this idea. Added to that the cost of living in Japan does scare me especially with a newborn on the way.

Returning to Australia is the other obvious idea however I am concerned as to how long it would take to get a job back home. Prior to leaving Australia I was offered a mid level job with a fortune 500 company. It took 5 months from application to receiving the letter of offer. I don't want to be a new father and unemployed for 5 months or possibly longer.

I am finally concerned about the damage almost 4 years here has done to my career. I guess I will be starting again and not seeing the heights of middle management for some time yet.

It is quite easy to beat myself up now: I should have learned Korean; I should have applied for a job related to my qualifications sooner; I should have saved money; and I should have completed my Bachelor degree after high school.

I am asking if anyone has any practical advice for me as I am a little overwhelmed and shocked at the moment.

Cheers


A lot of unis only ask to see your higher degree, so just lie, say you have a bachelors and then show them your masters. If they ask for your bachelors, say that you've lost it but have the masters degree. It's not morally a lie, because you know that in reality you are qualified.

Lying works really, really well in this country. Telling the truth never works in this country.
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
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This week I was told by EPIK and a university that they would not consider me because I don't have a degree. I find this offensive as they may not like the entry method I used but I successfully completed a Masters degree. But hey it's their country.

You say you're married to a Korean right?
Are you on an F2 now?
Have you gone directly to the ministry of education and gotten yourself registered as a teacher? It seems to me like there should be more than one way to go about this.


Yes my wife is Korean and I am on an F2, however EPIK requires all people to produce the E2 paperwork.

One of my part-time Hagwon gigs registered me with the local education office, so I am good there.

If EPIK or the university don't want me that is their decision, but this nonsense about not having a bachelors degree when I have a masters degree is ridiculous.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes my wife is Korean and I am on an F2, however EPIK requires all people to produce the E2 paperwork.
Seems strange/lazy. Have you tried going directly to the school to apply to work there?
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