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Is it possible to leave a PS early and get another PS job?

 
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kimjoohui



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Is it possible to leave a PS early and get another PS job? Reply with quote

Just want to know, has anyone ever left a public school job early and successfully gotten another public school job? If so, how'd you do it?
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess, sort of. But you'd have a long period of unemployment (probably as long as the time left on your contract).

If you leave early, your work visa is canceled, you lose your residence and you must leave the country.

You can only get a new work visa at your home country.
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sheba



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For PS jobs, you can only get a visa in your home country? No visa runs?
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheba wrote:
For PS jobs, you can only get a visa in your home country? No visa runs?


I thought you could get visa renewals on visa runs within the country.

For new ones, you'd have to go to your home country.
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tired of LA



Joined: 06 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless things have changed recently, you are only required to obtain your first visa in your home country because of the interview requirement. Although there are exceptions to this rule. After your first visa, as long as you have completed 9 months, you are not required to get you visa from your home country anymore.
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sheba



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisXX wrote:
sheba wrote:
For PS jobs, you can only get a visa in your home country? No visa runs?


I thought you could get visa renewals on visa runs within the country.

For new ones, you'd have to go to your home country.


You can extend your current visa within Korea, but you need to leave Korea to get a new visa. I was planning a visa run to Japan, I did it in Sept 08 with no probs (it wasnt my first visa so didnt need to go home for an interview). However, Ive always worked in hagwons so thought maybe I needed an interview because its my frist time in a PS?? Hope not... Im planning to come to Korea early and doing the visa run later...
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW Talk about misinformation.

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You can only get a new work visa at your home country.


For a first-timer, this is usually the case. If you already have one, you can do a visa run so long as you have all the paperwork and documents.

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For PS jobs, you can only get a visa in your home country? No visa runs?


See above response.

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I thought you could get visa renewals on visa runs within the country.


That makes absolutely no sense. The definition of a visa run includes going out of the country. You don't renew a visa, you extend it or transfer it by changing your workplace info on your ARC card.

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Unless things have changed recently, you are only required to obtain your first visa in your home country because of the interview requirement.


Bingo, after that you CAN DO a visa run to another country or transfer your current visa to another school.
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outkast_3000



Joined: 20 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer: yes. I changed PS schools my first year...but it can be tricky.

It is case dependent I think - technically you are allowed, but you have to jump through a ton of hoops to make it work.

All you really need to do to make it work is get a letter of release from your current employer. If you have a job lined up already, you will need to get 2 documents from the new school - a letter with the registration number of the school and one other that I cannot remember the name of. You will also need to bring a copy of your NEW contract to the immigration office. Basically once you have these documents, you just need to file for a simple Visa Transfer, and the form is available at the immigration office. So...as far as the technicality of it, it is a fairly simple process...

But the reality is different...good luck getting your letter of release. That is all I have to say. If you can offer your principal a valid reason for leaving his or her school, and you have not burned any bridges and he or she likes you, you might be able to get it. I was far away in Jeollabuk-do in my first year, and after 6 months I started the TESOL program at Hanyang, which is in Seoul, and that I would need to change to a school closer to Seoul. I told the principal I had to leave for education purposes, and he reluctantly allowed it - it did not hurt that we were on good terms.

The reason why it is hard to secure the letter of release is because it puts your principal in a dicey situation - he or she will need to find a replacement immediately. Try to give them some time if you can - but it could be difficult. The other way is to just quit and leave the country and come back again - I have no experience with this, so I will not speak on it.

Good luck to you.
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sheba



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
WOW Talk about misinformation.

Quote:
You can only get a new work visa at your home country.


For a first-timer, this is usually the case. If you already have one, you can do a visa run so long as you have all the paperwork and documents.

Quote:
For PS jobs, you can only get a visa in your home country? No visa runs?


See above response.



Misinformation and confusion!! But I'm still confused... I know first time teac hers need to get their visa in their home country, and returning teachers can do visa runs... what Im wondering is do I need to have an interview as a firt time PS teacher even though I've had an E2 before working at hagwons? Or it doesnt matter where you work?

haha sorry I know how frustrating it is when you spell it out and people still JUST DONT GET IT!
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outkast_3000



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would only do a "visa run" if your current contract was ending - it's not. Your visa is still valid, it's good for the year - all you want to do is change the sponsor of your visa (who would be your employer). As I mentioned earlier, this will involve getting a letter of release from your current employer (it's essentially a letter of permission allowing you to leave them, and move to another school/hagwon). You can do all of this from the comfort of Korea - you don't need to go anywhere except your nearest immigration office.

You need to tell your current employer you want out (as kindly as possible) and request a letter of release - be prepared with a phoney but strong excuse for wanting to "quit" that doesn't make your current employer lose face. If your current employer doesn't give you the letter of release and refuses, then you're in a tough spot where a visa run might be necessary. But why take that tough route right now when you might still be able to get a letter of release?

You should be focused on 2 things right now: getting a letter of release & searching hard on the job boards for new positions.

EDIT: I feel I need to qualify some of my remarks. All I've written only applies in a public school to public school transfer. As I've learned on another thread today, you can't do a PS to Hagwon transfer, or Hagwon to Hagwon transfer. In those instances, you'd need to do an actual visa run. I won't say too much more about it, as I can't confirm that information to be accurate, but it's something to look into. You can transfer between public schools easily if you've obtained the necessary documents.


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kimjoohui



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

outkast_3000 wrote:
Short answer: yes. I changed PS schools my first year...but it can be tricky.


Outkast_3000: How were you able to find another PS willing to take you even though you would be leaving a PS job early? I left a PS job early to get a hagwon job in the same city as my Korean birthfamily. Since my current hagwon job has left me out of a job due to financial troubles, I would like to get a new PS job. (Original plan was to head back home after the hagwon job finished, but given the current economy, I've changed my mind.) I now have a chance of getting a new PS job in a different location through a friend's friend, but I'm worried that having left a PS job early I may not get it. How did you deal with the matter of having left a PS job early in interviews? I've heard people have done it just by leaving it off the experience from their resume, but I"m guessing you couldn't do that because of needing the letter of release, etc.
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outkast_3000



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just told them the truth actually. I was teaching really far south in Jeollabuk-do, but then I enrolled in a TESOL class at Hanyang University, which is in Seoul and told them I had to move closer to Seoul. I told them I really wanted to further my education in EFL Pedagogy to become a better teacher, blah blah blah, and everyone was fine with it. I mean, employers have to be aware that circumstances change and things happen - it just depends on what the reasoning is behind all of it. I think if you've got a valid reason for wanting to transfer - a reason that doesn't make your employer lose face - you'll probably get the letter of release. But...maybe I just got lucky. Who knows.
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