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[Hindsight]

OK, I watched the first part, Fellowship of the Ring, and it made sense.

I tried watching The Two Towers, but all of the sudden there's this little CGI character bouncing around. OK, that's Gollum, I guess, though I don't remember who exactly Gollum is.

But then all these soldiers in leather show up carrying the two hobbits on their backs. I don't get it. How did that happen?

And then there is a talking tree.

And it all went down hill from there; I couldn't make any sense of the plot.

I confess I didn't read the book, but that should be obvious.

Can anyone explain it to me?

Thanks.

Nice sound effects, though. And New Zealand sure looks great!

[NovaKart]

The Two Towers starts off immediately where the Fellowship of the Ring left off without any introduction so that makes it a bit confusing. Gollum originally had the ring and at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring it has a brief summary of that story and how Bilbo got it. Gollum has been trying to get the ring back ever since and now he's finally found out where Frodo is.

At the end of Fellowship of the ring, the fellowship was attacked and split up. Two of the hobbits (Merry and Pippin) were captured by the orcs. Sam and Frodo escaped alone after Boromir tried to take the ring. And Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn went to try to rescue Merry and Pippin. When the orcs were killed by the horsemen of Rohan Merry and Pippin escaped unnoticed (they're small hobbits after all and it was night).

They escaped into the forest which is really ancient and some of the trees are alive, they're really ents which are like tree people that guard the forest. Gimli, Aragorn and Legolas went into the forest looking for them but they found Gandalf who had come back from Moria after fighting the Balrog. He's a wizard so you shouldn't focus too much on how he was able to do this and then meet them in the forest.

There's sort of 3 plots going on at the same time.

I can't really remember all that happens next but there were orcs who attacked the people of Rohan who with the help of the elves were able to beat them. That's when they're holed up in the fortress.

Then the ents (tree people) are convinced by Merry and Pippin to attack Saruman and they finally agree after seeing how he tore up the forest. Saruman is the wizard who went to the evil side and has an army of orcs. They tore up his tower.

At the same time, Sam and Frodo are going to Mordor to destroy the ring and they have to put up with Gollum who shows them a secret way. Boromir's brother tries to stop them but then he eventually lets them go.

Hope that clears some things up.

[wintermute]

Troll!

[JMO]

For christ sake nova kart. Do a better job of recognizing trolls.

[emetib]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAyh23l1mx4

[Hindsight]

Thanks for the precis, NovaKart. I'm impressed!

OK, let's see if I've got this straight.

Gollum - Was a good guy, then got the ring and became a bad guy, then lost the ring and was an even badder guy, then met Frodo and Sam and became their buddy, or at least servant for some reason. Oh, they were going to kill him.

Merry and Pippin are good guys. Orcs are bad guys. They got captured by orcs at the end of the first movie, and so is that why they showed up being lugged around by leathermen without any context in the second movie?

I assume Boromir is a bad guy, since he tried to take the ring. Anyone who tries to take the ring is a bad guy, right?

Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn are good guys, part of the Fellowship of the Ring. The Fellowship of the Ring wants to destroy the ring. The ring is the root of all evil.

The horsemen of Rohan are good guys cause they killed the orcs, right? So that makes them friends with Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn, I guess.

Ents are good guys who look like trees.

Gandalf is a good guy who sort of died and then became a really good guy.

The elves are good guys cause they help the Rohan, who are good guys, defeat the orcs, who are bad guys.

Saruman is the biggest bad guy.

Boromir's brother is maybe a bad guy, maybe a good guy?

And then I see there's the Balrog. They must be bad guys, since Gandalf had to fight them.

Hmmm, it looks like there are more good guys than bad guys.

Good guys:
Fellowship of the Ring
Horsemen of Rohan
Ents
Elves
Trees
Trolls
Hobbits

Bad guys:
Orc
Balrog
Boromir
Saruman

Maybe good, maybe bad:
Boromir's brother
Gollum

It sure would be easier if the good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black hats.

Time to make some popcorn and try again.

[Juregen]

I truly suggest to read the book.

It's about how the ring corrupts (as in power corrupts) even the noblest of people.

And how the most meaningless humanoids are the most resistant to the influence and can do great deeds due to their simple love.

[Triban]

[emetib]

[pkang0202]

From what I heard from Tolkien fans:

The Two Towers, in its theater release cut, is a cut to hell. I think they cut like an hour off of the movie. Thats why the pacing feels like it jumps all over the place.

To actually see what the entire movie storyline is, you have to watch the Extended movie version. Then it makes more sense.

[NovaKart]

He's just saying he didn't understand the movie it's not necessarily an trollish post. Even if it is, well trolls are Tolkienish so perhaps we should indulge him.

I admit his second post does sound a bit trollish. But in case it's not, Saruman isn't actually the biggest bad guy, that's Sauron. But Saruman was the main antagonist of the Two Towers I would say.

Boromir isn't exactly a bad guy, just he was tempted by the ring and thought he could use it to save his kingdom. Trolls are not really good guys in LOTR and there's only one of them shown in the movies in the first one.

I wish people wouldn't use the word gay as a synonym for something that's lame.

[Hindsight]

Juregen

[JMO]

lol LOTR has the most obvious 'good' and 'bad' guys in movies ever.

God help you watching a movie with even a small shade of grey.

Oh yes.. and read the book. Read 'The Hobbit' first.

[Hindsight]

JMO:

[crash bang]

I wish people wouldn't use the word gay as a synonym for something that's lame.

That's GAY .