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itaewonguy

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:39 am Post subject: Tiger Woods Goes to Sex Rehab |
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I dont get it! so tiger has a sickness???? he enjoys shagging women so now he needs therapy?? he is addicted to sex???
PLeassssseeeeee lke this is not a lame publicity stunt to save his image!
so they guy likes banging white women! more than one partner.. probably more than one at one time.. HE IS SICK??? hhahahahahahahaha
shouldnt be be seeing a marriage therapist?
The calls for Tiger Woods to get help did not go unheeded: on Jan. 16, after weeks of sordid allegations regarding his extramarital affairs, Radaronline.com reported that Woods had enrolled in the Gentle Path program at Pine Grove Behavioral Health and Addiction Services, in Hattiesburg, Miss., to be treated for sex addiction. Local television stations later confirmed the story. (See the top 10 apologies.)
Few people know what actually happens at sex rehab. While those who treat it say sex addiction is a disease like any other compulsion, the field is in its infancy: there is virtually no research on it compared to the vast resources on drug or alcohol addiction. "You look at ways that your behavior has made your life unmanageable. That's really the question," says Benoit Denizet-Lewis, author of America Anonymous: Eight Addicts in Search of a Life, who has been treated for sex addiction himself. "That often differentiates a sex addict from a nonsex addict."
Sex addiction is marked not simply poor decision-making in the face of temptation, but by a sense of powerlessness before one's own compulsive sexual behavior. There are many different types of sex addicts, including so-called sexual anorexics who avoid physical intimacy with their partners and seek it out in fantasies or with others. Despite the shortage of statistics, researchers agree that the vast majority - over 90% - of sex addicts are men. Rob Weiss, the founder and executive director of the Sexual Recovery Institute in southern California, estimates that up to 5% of Americans deal with some form of sex addiction, though he says that there is no real way to know. (See more about Tiger Woods.)
Rehab length varies from two-week-long outpatient seminars to inpatient clinics that keep patients for up to six weeks, such as the one where Woods is staying. Treatment - to address both the addiction and its underlying causes - involves a mix of one-on-one sessions, group therapy and family counseling, with addicts and their partners encouraged to also participate in supplemental 12-step programs.
The first step in treatment of a sexual addiction is a full evaluation of a patient's history and any past trauma. "All the men I've worked with - and I've worked with thousands of them over the years - have some profound experience of abuse and/or neglect in childhood," says Weiss. Without addressing the underlying sexual, physical or emotional trauma that usually leads to addiction, there is little hope of ending it.
The second stage of treatment involves confronting patients' distorted view of reality. Did the addict really believe that paying for a sensual massage was not the same thing as hiring a prostitute? Or that he could spend most of the day surfing the Internet for pornography and that no one would find out? These questions are not meant to shame a patient, but to force him to understand what really happened. As Weiss puts it, "We may not stop the behavior, but we're going to ruin it for you." (See TIME's sex covers.)
The last stage of treatment is relapse prevention. Therapists and patients discuss triggers for addictive behavior - unstructured time alone, for example - and identify ways to avoid them. Brian McGinness, a senior cost estimator at a Michigan commercial construction manufacturer, spent the first nine years of his marriage addicted to pornography. His treatment was supervised by members of his church, an antipornography ministry group called XXXchurch, and a neighborhood friend, who acted as "accountability partners," monitoring his Internet usage after he decided to get sober. (Sex addiction shares the use of the word "sobriety," with other forms of addiction, though definition varies based on an individually determined level of acceptable sexual behavior.) With the monitors' help, which he no longer needs on regular basis, McGinness has not looked at pornography for the past four years. (See the top 10 medical breakthroughs of 2009.)
A patient's partner also plays an integral role in his or her treatment. Elin Nordegen, Woods' wife, has already visited him at Pine Grove. "Recovery is a three-legged stool for a couple - his recovery, her recovery and healing, and then the marriage recovery," says Dr. Douglas Weiss (no relation to Rob Weiss), executive director of the Heart to Heart Counseling Center in Colorado, who describes himself as being sober from his own sex addiction for over 20 years. Addicts are encouraged to disclose the full range of their behaviors to their partners when confronting their distortions of reality in the second stage of treatment. If an addict happens to contract an STD and never tells his wife, "his behavior could kill her," Douglas Weiss notes.
Athough Woods may have only signed in for a six-week program, his therapy is likely to be ongoing. Indeed, at Heart to Heart, clients are encouraged to come back for annual polygraphs to test sobriety. According to Maureen Canning, a clinical consultant at the Meadows Addiction Treatment Center in Arizona, simply working through the addiction itself could take two to five years of therapy, enhanced by 12-step programs for both partners; working through related trauma might take the rest of a lifetime. "Sex addiction is not about remaining abstinent for the rest of your life," says Denizet-Lewis. "It is about learning to have sex in a way that makes you happy again." |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: |
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While I will not criticize people providing a service that someone is willing to pay for, I will criticize the whole concept of sex as an "addiction." It certainly does not fit the medical definition of an addictive substance, which has two features:
1) More of the substance is required to achieve the same effect; and
2) There is a physiologic withdrawal syndrome experienced upon its abrupt cessation.
The only rehabilitation going on here is that of Tiger's image. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
While I will not criticize people providing a service that someone is willing to pay for, I will criticize the whole concept of sex as an "addiction." It certainly does not fit the medical definition of an addictive substance, which has two features:
1) More of the substance is required to achieve the same effect; and
2) There is a physiologic withdrawal syndrome experienced upon its abrupt cessation.
The only rehabilitation going on here is that of Tiger's image. |
You aren't alone in your questioning of this.
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Sexual addiction refers to a phenomenon in which individuals report being unable to manage their sexual behavior. It has also been called "sexual dependency," and "sexual compulsivity." The existence of the condition is not universally accepted by sexologists and its etiology, nature, and validity have been debated.
Proponents of the concept have offered varying descriptions, each according to their favored model of the putative phenomenon. Proponents of an addiction model of the phenomenon refer to it as "sexual addiction" and offer definitions based on substance addictions; proponents of lack-of-control models refer to it as "sexual compulsivity" and offer definitions based on obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD); etc. Skeptics believe that it is a myth that the phenomenon exists as a disease or disorder at all and is instead a by-product of cultural and other influences. |
I also learned from this article that the male equivalent of nymphomania is "satyriasis". I had never heard that term before, while nymphomania is fairly commonly used. That's neat. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
I dont get it! so tiger has a sickness??? he enjoys shagging women so now he needs therapy??? he is addicted to sex??? |
I agree. "Sex addition" is a joke, a society that seems addicted to diseases, therapies, self-help books, and, of course, pills for everything.
Someone who wants to shag all the time is highly-sexed, no more no less. Someone who cheats on his wife -- well, that person and his wife ought to deal with it as they feel they need to deal with it, which could include, I imagine, "sex therapy" if that is what one or both decide upon. Perhaps he is merely doing as she insists as a tactic to save his marriage?
This notwithstanding, I do not think Tiger Woods suffers any disease, mental or otherwise here. This is supermarket, tabloid-style journalism, Itaewonguy. |
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Bondrock

Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Location: ^_^
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Woods Leaves Rehab, Stays In New London Apartment With Young Lover
http://tinyurl.com/yho94y9
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:58 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
While I will not criticize people providing a service that someone is willing to pay for, I will criticize the whole concept of sex as an "addiction." It certainly does not fit the medical definition of an addictive substance, which has two features:
1) More of the substance is required to achieve the same effect; and
2) There is a physiologic withdrawal syndrome experienced upon its abrupt cessation.
The only rehabilitation going on here is that of Tiger's image. |
Correct me if I am wrong, but I had heard that cocaine changed the criteria that the medical society used to judge how addictive a substance was. If you go by how bad the withdrawal is, nothing is worse than heroin, or so I have heard. But if you go by how bad the cravings are, nothing beats cocaine.
Personally, I would not be so quick to dismiss the possibility of a sex addiction. There may be no substance involved, but the cravings can be pretty intense.
http://www.jenniferschneider.com/articles/recognize.html
"Addiction to sexual activities can be just as destructive as addiction to chemical substances. Addicts may jeopardize their marriage and family relationships, allow their job performance to deteriorate, and endanger themselves and their partner through multiple sexual exposures. Even though they realize the consequences, they cannot control their compulsions without appropriate treatment."
Sure, a guy like Tiger gets little sympathy because he is rich. But as with drugs, many times the rich have more access and thus more temptation. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Although a guy who masturbates 3, 4, 6 or more times a day is normal, it begins to be a problem when you forego human relationships in order to masturbate, like Toronto Dave who had a 'strict masturbation schedule'.
Carry on. |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009 Location: Prague
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Mr Woods is in a hopeless situation as there is no cure for overcoming the beauty of racially pure White women of European descent who are even in the multicultural USA are still the most popular women
Mr Woods problem is that his daughter wont look like his wife and his daughter and eveyone else will know that but as long as we are kept silent things will seem to be OK
Sex addiction isnt the problem but keep dancing because dancing because dancing is healthy |
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The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003 Location: Sonic Space
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
While I will not criticize people providing a service that someone is willing to pay for, I will criticize the whole concept of sex as an "addiction." It certainly does not fit the medical definition of an addictive substance, which has two features:
1) More of the substance is required to achieve the same effect; and
2) There is a physiologic withdrawal syndrome experienced upon its abrupt cessation.
The only rehabilitation going on here is that of Tiger's image. |
It seems that while Tiger's wood is working overtime...so is his PR firm.  |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Sector7G wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
While I will not criticize people providing a service that someone is willing to pay for, I will criticize the whole concept of sex as an "addiction." It certainly does not fit the medical definition of an addictive substance, which has two features:
1) More of the substance is required to achieve the same effect; and
2) There is a physiologic withdrawal syndrome experienced upon its abrupt cessation.
The only rehabilitation going on here is that of Tiger's image. |
Correct me if I am wrong, but I had heard that cocaine changed the criteria that the medical society used to judge how addictive a substance was. If you go by how bad the withdrawal is, nothing is worse than heroin, or so I have heard. But if you go by how bad the cravings are, nothing beats cocaine.
Personally, I would not be so quick to dismiss the possibility of a sex addiction. There may be no substance involved, but the cravings can be pretty intense.
http://www.jenniferschneider.com/articles/recognize.html
"Addiction to sexual activities can be just as destructive as addiction to chemical substances. Addicts may jeopardize their marriage and family relationships, allow their job performance to deteriorate, and endanger themselves and their partner through multiple sexual exposures. Even though they realize the consequences, they cannot control their compulsions without appropriate treatment." |
Actually, people find it harder to get off nicotine than heroin.
Cocaine does not produce a physiologic withdrawal syndrome like heroin does.
Certain sexual behaviors can become compulsions (not "addictions," despite what your source says), but most clinicians working in addiction medicine would not be treating "sex addicts."
Your source took some of the DSM criteria and applied them to compulsive sexual behavior and said, "See, they share these characteristics," and hence proceeded to call it an addiction. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
Actually, people find it harder to get off nicotine than heroin.
Cocaine does not produce a physiologic withdrawal syndrome like heroin does.
Certain sexual behaviors can become compulsions (not "addictions," despite what your source says), but most clinicians working in addiction medicine would not be treating "sex addicts."
Your source took some of the DSM criteria and applied them to compulsive sexual behavior and said, "See, they share these characteristics," and hence proceeded to call it an addiction. |
Ok, ba, but is it just the use of the word "addiction" that you are hung up on? Because I am not married to the word. Would you at least agree that it is a compulsion that can become so strong that it can screw up a person's life, a compulsion so strong that some can not break it without professional help?
Because some seem to think it can be easily categorized as just a guy being a jerk. But damn, look at the empire he put at risk, and is now crashing down around him. Just saying, I would not be so quick to dismiss this as just jerk behavior. |
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The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003 Location: Sonic Space
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Because some seem to think it can be easily categorized as just a guy being a jerk. But damn, look at the empire he put at risk, and is now crashing down around him. Just saying, I would not be so quick to dismiss this as just jerk behavior. |
This is not simply jerk behaviour...but it is common...and something he thought he could get away with.
Lots of men, with lots of money, dabble in the same sort of behaviour.
It goes with the territory...some are just better at keeping it out of the press.
He is just some guy who fooled around and got caught...thinking he is somehow above human nature would be a mistake...as he is now finding out. |
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Sector7G
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
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Because some seem to think it can be easily categorized as just a guy being a jerk. But damn, look at the empire he put at risk, and is now crashing down around him. Just saying, I would not be so quick to dismiss this as just jerk behavior. |
This is not simply jerk behaviour...but it is common...and something he thought he could get away with.
Lots of men, with lots of money, dabble in the same sort of behaviour.
It goes with the territory...some are just better at keeping it out of the press.
He is just some guy who fooled around and got caught...thinking he is somehow above human nature would be a mistake...as he is now finding out. |
Well, I wasn't trying to to defend Tiger. I was talking about the compulsion in general. But he was a little more than some guy who fooled around and got caught. Over 20 women have come forward so far- I am surprised he had anytime to work on his back swing! I'd say he had a problem, and I don't know how he kept it hidden for so long. I am not saying there couldn't be some jerk element to it too, at least initially. Also, like I said before, as with drugs, people with money to burn often have more temptations! |
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bacasper

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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Sector7G wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
Actually, people find it harder to get off nicotine than heroin.
Cocaine does not produce a physiologic withdrawal syndrome like heroin does.
Certain sexual behaviors can become compulsions (not "addictions," despite what your source says), but most clinicians working in addiction medicine would not be treating "sex addicts."
Your source took some of the DSM criteria and applied them to compulsive sexual behavior and said, "See, they share these characteristics," and hence proceeded to call it an addiction. |
Ok, ba, but is it just the use of the word "addiction" that you are hung up on? Because I am not married to the word. Would you at least agree that it is a compulsion that can become so strong that it can screw up a person's life, a compulsion so strong that some can not break it without professional help?
Because some seem to think it can be easily categorized as just a guy being a jerk. But damn, look at the empire he put at risk, and is now crashing down around him. Just saying, I would not be so quick to dismiss this as just jerk behavior. |
Yes. Compulsive behavior can screw up peoples' lives and benefit from professional intervention.
That being said, I am still not sure Tiger wasn't just being a jerk. People often refuse to consider or may not even be aware of the consequences of what are certainly in hindsight poor choices.
Had he lived out his life and had sex with 10,000 women (as Magic Johnson was alleged to) without it being found out, would it have been a problem? Even if it were, isn't it a problem between him and his wife? OK, maybe and his sponsors, too, but that is only due to his celebrity status. But for his celebrity, why do we even care? |
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