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Why are Koreans so obsessed with getting married?
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Gibberish



Joined: 29 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Why are Koreans so obsessed with getting married? Reply with quote

Confucianism, societal conformity, proving you're straight... I've heard so many different reasons as to why Koreans crave marriage like there's no tomorrow, but I've never been able to figure out why. I read the "hilarious things Korean women have said to you" and someone posted a woman saying that her acne would get cleared up if she got married, which just blows my mind. It's like getting married is like being reborn over here, you figure they would dunk people in the Han river, it's so important.

I figure I would ask for any ideas or reasoning on this mindset you guys had, or funny stories you might have heard from Koreans regarding the ungodly importance of marriage.
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much only Anglo culture has many people who are indifferent or hostile to the idea of getting married and raising kids.
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In darwinian terms they've got it right. Who cares if you "develop" as a person?
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Mr. Pink



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One could ask why in the west people aren't in a hurry to get married?

It is unusual for people to have their own apartments before they are married in Korea. Thus, unusual for common law type arrangements. Mommy and daddy aren't going to be too happy to see their little girl go shack up with some guy without being married first.

Hmm isn't that the way it is in Latin America too? There one can say religion sets the norms.

What you might want to wonder is why Korea has an expression such as "honeymoon baby" - and why many women get pregnant during their honeymoons.

(I have wondered, and think the woman was probably a virgin and had no idea about birth control. Plus being a virgin, it being the first time they had sex, they probably shagged like a kid getting a new toy.)
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Dev



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

conrad2 wrote:
Pretty much only Anglo culture has many people who are indifferent or hostile to the idea of getting married and raising kids.


I agree. And you also see the great urgency of getting married in Indian culture where there's a big panic to get your son or daughter paired up with someone.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

conrad2 wrote:
Pretty much only Anglo culture has many people who are indifferent or hostile to the idea of getting married and raising kids.


That's pretty much it.

It's only been something since the 80's or so that people began to rue the thought of marrying. You can chalk this one up to the "empowerment of women" thing, followed by political-correctness.

Men who try dating Korean women soon learn that the ladies here expect the guy to show them their feelings early. It's the opposite back home (in North America, at least). Men have been trained not to. It's like when you go on a date and don't call the girl for a few days, even though you want to. In North America, many women will think you're desperate if you call them too early.

Try that here, and you'll be single until you figure it out.

It's also why I hate a lot of USA TV shows. They man is portrayed as a fumbling idiot who has to be told what to do by the woman at every turn -- either that or it's all about her rolling her eyes at the many mistakes he's made. I'm sooo sick of that. This, among other things, turned the women of my culture into something not fun anymore.

They can have it -- I don't live there now. One less person for that marriage pool!
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Gibberish



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay I see your point about the rest of the world viewing marriage as a positive, I'm just saying it seems that Korea takes it to new levels of obsession. It may be just the media that portrays it, but you can see just about every woman on TV or in print or movies talking about their dream being to get married and have children, and how they can't wait for the days of being a "family". Is this just another example of mass collectivism? It seems like the idea of not having kids or getting married is so abstract that it would offend and boggle the minds of most Koreans.

Despite, however, that many, many Koreans are very unhappy with their marriages, it continues, propagated by what exactly? I just can't wrap m mind around it.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gibberish wrote:
Despite, however, that many, many Koreans are very unhappy with their marriages, it continues, propagated by what exactly? I just can't wrap m mind around it.


See my post above.
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Old Gil



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only Anglo? I would submit Italy, Russia, Japan and Spain as counter examples.
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redaxe



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because in Korea, married = you are an adult. You get to have your own apartment, your own car, and most importantly, respect. Before you get married, socially you're still considered just a kid.

Also because Korean women have limited career options beyond... Wink


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littlelisa



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Gil wrote:
Only Anglo? I would submit Italy, Russia, Japan and Spain as counter examples.


And Sweden.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, I've met a good number of twentysomething women that really are in no rush to get married. They get pressured by people almost to the point of feeling ostracized in some cases.
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orosee



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gibberish wrote:
... It may be just the media that portrays it, but you can see just about every woman on TV or in print or movies talking about their dream being to get married and have children, and how they can't wait for the days of being a "family"...


I think that's just TV being TV. There is certainly a reflection of the current morals there, but TV is often years behind real society. Or simply completely removed from reality. Example, just by watching mainstream US TV shows and even movies (though not on cable) one would get the impression that women either never take off their bra during sex, or immedisately put it back on afterwards. And yes, even in college. Oddly, the girl that goes topless is always the first one to get killed in slasher movies Rolling Eyes

That said, I find Korean society's official face to be very 50's as far as morals are concerned, but possibly more 80's (and pre-AIDS) as long as it stays unseen. Nothing wrong with that really.
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crossmr



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
I dunno, I've met a good number of twentysomething women that really are in no rush to get married. They get pressured by people almost to the point of feeling ostracized in some cases.

Most 20 somethings aren't in a rush. It is when they hit 30 that they get in a rush.
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Hightop



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:
Because in Korea, married = you are an adult. You get to have your own apartment, your own car, and most importantly, respect. Before you get married, socially you're still considered just a kid.

Correct. Before you get married you are not yet considered an adult. After marrage you have a little more control of your life. Long ago before the evil Japanese came and ruined the peaceful Josen people a married man was permitted to wear a special hat so everyone would know he was a man. Age was not important. A married 14 year old who wore the hat of a man was higher in society than a 40 year old boy who did not wear the hat. Getting married for a woman was one step closer to giving birth to a baby and thus being considered a success. I wish they still wore those hats now.
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