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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:27 pm Post subject: Israeli Report Says Anti-Semitism Peaked in 2009 |
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JERUSALEM � The findings of an Israeli report released Sunday says 2009 saw the most anti-Semitic incidents in western Europe since World War II.
The report by an Israel-led umbrella of organizations dedicated to the combat of anti-Semitism outlined hundreds of violent incidents in Britain, France and Holland.
It said the number of incidents in the first three months of 2009 in western Europe surpassed that of all of 2008. That followed Israel's invasion of Gaza, which evoked harsh reactions.
In France, for example, there were 631 anti-Jewish incidents in the first half of 2009, of which 113 were violent, according to the report. Worldwide, eight people were killed in attacks last year.
Jewish Agency Chairman Natan Sharansky pledged to dispatch representatives from the semi-governmental organization to combat what he said was growing anti-Semitism at European universities.
The Israel-based agency deals with immigration and Jewish issues. |
A web site upon which you can find more information is availible here. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Makes sense that it should peak EVERY year. People who hate Jews breed and teach their children to hate Jews.
Ever hear that age old joke on Anti-semitism? How much can you reduce Anti-Semitism? Depends on how many nukes you have. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| In France, for example, there were 631 anti-Jewish incidents in the first half of 2009, of which 113 were violent |
If only they were as vehemently opposed to the invasion of mass-murdering fascists in 1940...
And what's the bet that the vast majority of these violent incidents are perpetrated by unemployable layabouts on welfare? |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| While antisemitism is a problem, especially when it's violent, I would rather an organization outside of Israel do the complaining. Israel is nothing more than a violent white supremacist organization itself and Israelis increase the chances of all of us with Hebrew ancestry to be a victim of a hate crime. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| While antisemitism is a problem, especially when it's violent, I would rather an organization outside of Israel do the complaining. Israel is nothing more than a violent white supremacist organization itself and Israelis increase the chances of all of us with Hebrew ancestry to be a victim of a hate crime. |
Many Jews aren't even white. Maybe you could make a claim about them being Zionist, but I don't think they're taking any stance that non-Jewish caucasians are superior. Even if you wanted to make that claim, though, it would be pretty hypocritical. The people of many nations have substantial nationalistic pride. The people of many nations feel their cultural group is superior to others. Again, this is something that only seems to become an issue when it's Jews doing it. Jews defending themselves against aggression? Unacceptable. Jews actually having some pride? Ridiculous.
Don't buy into the tiresome rhetoric. Israelis have as much right to be proud, nationalistic, and so forth as any other nation. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:20 am Post subject: |
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As Europe continues following her mohammedan destiny, more hate for Jews will pop up. Jews might just want to ignore that continent regardless of who dominates. They're all crazy.
That said, what % of these incidents are similar to Ben Stein slurring Ron Paul with the anti-semitism label? Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic will screamshouthollar !anti-semitism! at the most minor criticism of Israel. Any criticism of AIPAC is often shouted down as anti-Semitic. Something about crying wolf here. I don't believe much of it. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| I wish they'd just get on with building the Temple and this would all be over soon |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| The people of many nations feel their cultural group is superior to others. Again, this is something that only seems to become an issue when it's Jews doing it. |
1) I'm proud to be Jewish.
2) I'm proud to be white.
Which statement, if made by a public figure, is most likely to be followed by outrage? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
As Europe continues following her mohammedan destiny, more hate for Jews will pop up. Jews might just want to ignore that continent regardless of who dominates. They're all crazy.
That said, what % of these incidents are similar to Ben Stein slurring Ron Paul with the anti-semitism label? Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic will screamshouthollar !anti-semitism! at the most minor criticism of Israel. Any criticism of AIPAC is often shouted down as anti-Semitic. Something about crying wolf here. I don't believe much of it. |
Incidents that are over-reported (e.g. the Ben Stein example) and incidents that go unreported both surely exist. Despite that, I think the relative increase in reports is a sign of a real trend. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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| The people of many nations feel their cultural group is superior to others. Again, this is something that only seems to become an issue when it's Jews doing it. |
1) I'm proud to be Jewish.
2) I'm proud to be white.
Which statement, if made by a public figure, is most likely to be followed by outrage? |
Let's keep it fair. "I'm proud to be Jewish," should be compared to, "I'm proud to be Irish," or "I'm proud to be Italian," or so forth. Put into that context, the Jew is far more likely to be the target of outrage as he gets accused of Zionism. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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As Europe continues following her mohammedan destiny, more hate for Jews will pop up. Jews might just want to ignore that continent regardless of who dominates. They're all crazy.
That said, what % of these incidents are similar to Ben Stein slurring Ron Paul with the anti-semitism label? Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic will screamshouthollar !anti-semitism! at the most minor criticism of Israel. Any criticism of AIPAC is often shouted down as anti-Semitic. Something about crying wolf here. I don't believe much of it. |
Incidents that are over-reported (e.g. the Ben Stein example) and incidents that go unreported both surely exist. Despite that, I think the relative increase in reports is a sign of a real trend. |
In Europe, it is assured that problems will increase.
Europe and muslim dominated societies aside, it is my observation that the accusation of hatred towards Jews is used as a tool to make quiet criticism of Israel. Like the word racism, which is more overused than antibiotics. When I hear accusations of anti-Jew this and that in North America, I don't believe it anymore. I've never met an actual real human being who dislikes Jews in North America.
Ben Stein kinda ruined it for me. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Many Jews aren't even white. |
Besides the small group of Ethiopian Jews, what other race are they? If you are referring to Arab Jews, they are considered white (just like all other Arabs).
I think the rise in anti-semitism is due to a) ignorance and lack of exposure to Jewish people b) Israel's actions. In the case of the former, I think this is especially the case in places like Poland, where anti-semitism was around but not as overt back in the Cold Wars days.
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| As Europe continues following her mohammedan destiny, more hate for Jews will pop up. Jews might just want to ignore that continent regardless of who dominates. They're all crazy. |
I think the Muslim factor is not that big in this case (beyond the UK and France), especially in countries such as Poland, which has virtually no Muslim population. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| The people of many nations feel their cultural group is superior to others. Again, this is something that only seems to become an issue when it's Jews doing it. |
1) I'm proud to be Jewish.
2) I'm proud to be white.
Which statement, if made by a public figure, is most likely to be followed by outrage? |
Let's keep it fair. "I'm proud to be Jewish," should be compared to, "I'm proud to be Irish," or "I'm proud to be Italian," or so forth. Put into that context, the Jew is far more likely to be the target of outrage as he gets accused of Zionism. |
There are Irish Jews, Italian Jews, French Jews, American Jews. Jews can be atheist and still be Jewish. White or European is a fair comparison.
I am not going to get into a conversation about the hierarchy of disallowed pride. I take issue with your use of "only".
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| I think the Muslim factor is not that big in this case (beyond the UK and France), especially in countries such as Poland, which has virtually no Muslim population. |
That's fair. But is Poland seeing a rise like France and Sweden are? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Many Jews aren't even white. |
Besides the small group of Ethiopian Jews, what other race are they? If you are referring to Arab Jews, they are considered white (just like all other Arabs). |
I certainly wouldn't consider them white. Neither would most white supremacists. More important to my point, though, was the distinction that Jewish supremacists aren't white supremacists. It's an important distinction.
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| I think the rise in anti-semitism is due to a) ignorance and lack of exposure to Jewish people b) Israel's actions. |
add in c) propaganda regarding Israel, and I'll agree. Unless you really think Israel is the devil, Palestinians are totally blameless victims, and the Arab world is made up of heroes simply standing up for their poor, oppressed Palestinian brothers as certain parties here would have us believe. |
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banjois
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| I've never met an actual real human being who dislikes Jews in North America. |
I thought that too, until I worked for one. I'm a gentile, but have a Jewish sounding name and look rather Jewish. The worst job I ever had was a landscaping labor job years back. My boss treated me like GARBAGE from day one, and consistently ragged on me for being lazy and tried to get me fired several times, despite the fact that I was usually working harder than anybody else on the crew. Months in, I was driving to a site with him and made some off-hand comment about growing up Catholic. All of a sudden he was WAY nicer to me. And, all of a sudden, he felt free to say things like, and I quote "All Jews should be shot" in front of me. He's obviously an extreme example, but there's a lot more burbling under the surface than most people are aware.
This being said, a lot of legit criticism of Israeli policy immediately has "anti-semitic" thrown at it, too. |
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