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gay in korea
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: Why is Korea undervalued? |
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http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/01/22/2010012200511.html
that article is hardly anything new. Two Korean companies, Samsung Elec and Hyundai Motors, are leaders in their fields with growing reputations and records of success.
The Korean take on things is a little skewed, as can normally be expected. But there is a real issue as to why this undervaluing continues--- note, that a part of the recent surge has more to do with downward economic trends than anything else.
So is the reason that Korea is still viewed as 'less' than Japan? If so, why? How can this be fixed, assuming it can? |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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A possible reason could be the North Korea issue...although most people consider the chance of war a non-issue, if things were to take a turn for the worse then Korean companies would see their value tumble. Maybe this risk (partially real but mostly perceived) is having a downward effect on the stock price.
The bottom line is, though, that if a stock is TRULY greatly undervalued then generally enough investors will buy the stock and bump up the price to where it should be. Of course, this doesn't ALWAYS happen, but it usually does. So, just because one article says that a stock is undervalued doesn't necessarily mean that it is. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Korean business practices are hurting the country in this area.
From beef riots to government-encouraged protectionism to Chaebols, Korea's own system is its downfall. |
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Pink Freud
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Because for years, these two companies produced low-end products.
Remember the Hyundai Pony? They actually sold well in Canada until everyone who owned one realized they had a crapbox.
If you bring up buying a Hyundai to anyone who had experience with the early Sonatas and Elantras, you are likely to be laughed at.
They'll need a few more years to shed this reputation. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking that too. Korea has not socially developed yet.
bassexpander wrote: |
Korean business practices are hurting the country in this area.
From beef riots to government-encouraged protectionism to Chaebols, Korea's own system is its downfall. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:07 am Post subject: |
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because JAPAN invented the electronics business!
korea came later.. no one cares now who makes electronics.. they just remembered JAPAN ,made everything which started the whole thing..
even though samsung or Lg might be leading now.. peoples minds still think JAPAN when it comes to electronics..
consumers just buy them now and don't really think much about it compared to the late 80's or early 90's.. when it was JAPANESE this, JAPANESE that! koreans didnt really come onto the scene until the late 90's..
Koreans are more famous for the country which eat Dogs! |
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sharkey

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:33 am Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
because JAPAN invented the electronics business!
korea came later.. no one cares now who makes electronics.. they just remembered JAPAN ,made everything which started the whole thing..
even though samsung or Lg might be leading now.. peoples minds still think JAPAN when it comes to electronics..
consumers just buy them now and don't really think much about it compared to the late 80's or early 90's.. when it was JAPANESE this, JAPANESE that! koreans didnt really come onto the scene until the late 90's..
Koreans are more famous for the country which eat Dogs! |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to throw an idea out there. Get ready...
They undervalue it so they can make more money.
I know that making money is a radical concept for businesses, but hear me out. I think someone in Samsung realized they could make more money by doing what they do. Sounds crazy I know. I mean, what kind of company would WANT to make money? |
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Sadebugo1
Joined: 11 May 2003
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Why is Korea undervalued? |
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gay in korea wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/01/22/2010012200511.html
that article is hardly anything new. Two Korean companies, Samsung Elec and Hyundai Motors, are leaders in their fields with growing reputations and records of success.
The Korean take on things is a little skewed, as can normally be expected. But there is a real issue as to why this undervaluing continues--- note, that a part of the recent surge has more to do with downward economic trends than anything else.
So is the reason that Korea is still viewed as 'less' than Japan? If so, why? How can this be fixed, assuming it can? |
Look at the history. If you can't get accurate financial information about a company and have seen deception on its part in the past, a 'discount' will be built into the price. Investors don't care about what is politically correct. They look at the cold, hard facts and make a determination about the fair market value.
To fix the problem, there needs to be a pattern of fair business practices over an extended period of time.
Sadebugo
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gay in korea
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
I'm going to throw an idea out there. Get ready...
They undervalue it so they can make more money.
I know that making money is a radical concept for businesses, but hear me out. I think someone in Samsung realized they could make more money by doing what they do. Sounds crazy I know. I mean, what kind of company would WANT to make money? |
This doesn't make any sense... Lower share value doesn't mean they make more money. |
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
because JAPAN invented the electronics business!
korea came later.. no one cares now who makes electronics.. they just remembered JAPAN ,made everything which started the whole thing..
even though samsung or Lg might be leading now.. peoples minds still think JAPAN when it comes to electronics..
consumers just buy them now and don't really think much about it compared to the late 80's or early 90's.. when it was JAPANESE this, JAPANESE that! koreans didnt really come onto the scene until the late 90's..
Koreans are more famous for the country which eat Dogs! |
I still think that Sony makes excellent Vaio laptops. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:01 am Post subject: |
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for years, Huyndai and Kia were synonymous in the US at least with crap like the Yugo.
as their cars get better (witness sucesss of the Genesis) this perception will change. Won't happen overnight though.
They're still known for having crappy underpowered engines.... e.g.. Genesis.
Samsung and LG have been making quality products recently and growing in market share, with time these brand names will reflect their quality and their market share.. but once again, not overnight.
what I get a kick out of is how they're able to engage in cuththroat pricing in overseas market in order to grab market share.. while screwing their Korean consumers on local price whenever possible. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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There was a time when Japan was known as a place that made silly low end crap.
Then is was known as a place that made "undervalued" products.
Eventually, it became more respected as "top of the line".
As long as Korea keeps managing to make good products and improve their lines of electronics, cars, etc..., and as long as they continue to make their business practices more reputable and globally friendly (this aspect certainly still needs teeaking), they'll eventually get to where Japan is.
Korean cars are actually doing VERY well in the American market right now, because the recession is making people want cars about as fuel efficient as Japanese ones, but cheaper. I'm guessing a number of Americans will grow to appreciate the Korean cars they have to "settle for", and Korea will move up just a little on the "value" scale.
Best car I ever owned was my Matiz in Korea, BTW. |
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kbit
Joined: 18 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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the "korea discount" has nothing to do with product quality, but reflects the poor corporate governance over chaebol affiliate companies. the problem is that chaebols can have controlling stakes in companies while only having minority ownership, often through messy cross-ownership webs. because of the risk of expropriation between affiliate companies investors price these stocks at a discount. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Cerberus wrote: |
as their cars get better (witness sucesss of the Genesis) this perception will change. Won't happen overnight though. |
I test drove a Genesis V8 last year. The salesperson was willing to sell a 2010 fully loaded with the tech package for invoice price which would have been a fantastic deal. Yet I still couldn't get over the idea that I would have a Hyundai. I kept thinking I shouldn't cheap out and just go get the Lexus LS460 or MB S-Class which are much safer choices. I imagined all the ribbing and strange looks I would get from friends and family over buying a Korean car. I knew I'd have to answer questions of whether I was going so broke that I'd resort to buying a Korean car. In the end, I just couldn't pull the trigger. I think this is the type of hesitation that Hyundai must address and hopefully one day they will fix their reputation/image issues.
I went back to the Hyundai dealer last week as I wanted to see if they had the new Sonata yet. I think the salesperson noticed I drove up in a German car, so while I was looking at the new Tucson, he commented how it was made in Germany, so I would actually be driving a German car and not a Korean one.  |
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