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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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That time of year again, I'm editing the school's English newspaper in its entirely. I usually enjoy doing this and tend to look for my favourite student's articles.
Every year though, its a pain to come across certain articles after being told that I'm not allowed to correct factual errors, only grammatical and spelling mistakes.
The highlight of this year's batch was an article about the increasing amount of foreigners in Korea. The author was a student who had been in my class for the entire year. She had also been present for the classes which I held after I returned from vacation in Canada that were solely about Canadian culture. I found, of all the classes I taught this year, the classes about Western Culture and Canada as compared to Korea turned out the best as they really got the student's talking. I learned stuff, they learned stuff, no one was offended and many were involved.
Here are some gems from her article:
"Foreigners do not know about cell phones. Korea has the best cell phones..." (huh?)
"Korea has the fastest internet in the world" (true) "and many foreigners don't know about the internet." (?!)
"In foreigner's home country everyone has a gun but in Korea there are no guns" (ugh, I take it she isn't referring to my Daisy "Red Rider", is she?)
"In Korea foreigners can experience nature and of our countryside. They can experience countryside people's kindness to all, foreign or native." (In context, this sounded like it was something we don't have in our own countries. In Canada we don't have any nature, thats a new one, folks).
"Foreigners really like the Korean language and see how it can express better and is more natural [sic] than their own language."
(This is all post revision, it was a grammatical mess before I got my pen in there).
...and it goes on. There are a few other things that stuck out, like how Korea has more public safety and security than other countries. She also made a point that Korea was a lot more convenient, which is somewhat true, but then took it further to say that we don't have any businesses in our home countries that have Customer Service desks that help customers nor do we have any businesses that are open for long hours (she cites 7-11 as an example, the irony!)
She also went on to say that foreigners in Korea work "short hours" and make "more money" than Koreans who work much longer.
There is an element of truth in some of these points but a lot of the time it isn't really worth noting. As a whole though, I'd be the first to throw this in the nationalistic garbage heap. Even my co-worker who was supervising the newspaper club was a little bit embarrassed about passing it to me first without reading it himself. He'll submit it for publishing but only after heavy revision.
The thing is, why would any kid in this day and age, anywhere, think this way about the world outside of their country? This is a high school student. I might not be as surprised if this had come from and elementary school student but this article comes from a second year student whom is preparing for a university career followed by being an English teacher (she speaks better than she writes, actually).
Just what are these kids taught in their classes about foreign cultures? Even in 2010, it still sounds like Korean high school students are being fed propaganda about the outside world.
Anyway, normally this wouldn't bother me so much but seeing as how I'm going to be leaving soon, I see these last few months as a time to reconcile myself with the things I don't like about Korea. All evidence seems to point in the direction of not being able to do so. As much as I like various aspects of life here, I don't think I'll ever be able to reconcile my worldview with a population that thinks so low of me as an individual simply because I wasn't born here. |
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rabidcake
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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Stalin84 wrote: |
"In foreigner's home country everyone has a gun but in Korea there are no guns" (ugh, I take it she isn't referring to my Daisy "Red Rider", is she?)
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This couldn't be more true in America |
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rabidcake
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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Stalin84 wrote: |
Just what are these kids taught in their classes about foreign cultures? Even in 2010, it still sounds like Korean high school students are being fed propaganda about the outside world.
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One kid at my high school didn't know that Japan was an Island. He was a Junior, and this was about 3 years ago.
Man, we sure did tease the hell out of him. |
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spaceman82
Joined: 01 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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rabidcake wrote: |
Stalin84 wrote: |
"In foreigner's home country everyone has a gun but in Korea there are no guns" (ugh, I take it she isn't referring to my Daisy "Red Rider", is she?)
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This couldn't be more true in America |
Perhaps in some parts of America... |
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beercanman
Joined: 16 May 2009
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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They simply don't know any better. The world is more connected than ever yet people all over the globe, old people too, are still largely clueless about (most) other cultures. Maybe there are too many of them?
We fill this void with silly ideas.
Sounds a bit like stuff I read and edit coming from Chinese adults with pretty good English but limited exposure to foreigners. They too use statements like, "Americans are..." Beyond "Friends" and a bit else how would they know any better? But when you talk with educated people who have some idea of all this, at least they know they don't really know. |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like she's a perfect candidate for an editorial internship at the Korea Herald/Times. |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Not too surprising. My adult co-teachers have TOLD me that in America/Canada, teachers work 4 hours a day 6 months a year and start at $100,000. I explained to them that elementary teachers (can't speak for others) in Canada work waaaaaaaay longer hours than in Korea, like 7am-7pm for the first few years and still 8 hours after, and only have one extended break (2 months) while starting at peanuts. Yes, it gets higher, but more like max 80-90k after 15 years.
Koreans tend to learn things in an us vs them framework. Koreans work hard, therefore THEY work less. Korean food is spicy, therefore, THEIR food isn't spicy. And so on. It's a zero-sum culture. If you like Japan it means you like Korea less. If you like Indian food *this* much, then you like Korean food *this* much less. Hence many Koreans' fear of expressing any fondness for anything not Korean. It would mean they love their homeland less, whereas in Western culture we don't think enjoying a trip to Paris means you necessarily like your hometown less. You can like two things at once for different reasons.
Gee, I have this whole place figured out, don't I? |
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kabrams

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Location: your Dad's house
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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rabidcake wrote: |
Stalin84 wrote: |
"In foreigner's home country everyone has a gun but in Korea there are no guns" (ugh, I take it she isn't referring to my Daisy "Red Rider", is she?)
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This couldn't be more true in America |
So true! And nearly every American is fat or super obese and can't find their own country on a map.
Sad bunch, the Americans. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
Koreans tend to learn things in an us vs them framework. Koreans work hard, therefore THEY work less. Korean food is spicy, therefore, THEIR food isn't spicy. And so on. It's a zero-sum culture. If you like Japan it means you like Korea less. If you like Indian food *this* much, then you like Korean food *this* much less. Hence many Koreans' fear of expressing any fondness for anything not Korean. It would mean they love their homeland less, whereas in Western culture we don't think enjoying a trip to Paris means you necessarily like your hometown less. You can like two things at once for different reasons. |
That's absolute tripe. People enjoy things for what they are, regardless where they come from. Koreans watch Western movies, buy Western products, eat Western foods, enjoy Western music all the same. A Korean saying 'I like Korean food best' is no different than a British fellow proclaiming to enjoy a British cup of tea. |
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The Goalie
Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Location: Chungcheongnamdo
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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Stalin84 wrote: |
I might not be as surprised if this had come from and elementary school student but this article comes from a second year student whom is preparing for a university career followed by being an English teacher (she speaks better than she writes, actually). |
Go home and work on your English and we will do our best to set the record straight here. In the meantime, remember that it's not just the Koreans who have misconceptions about people. A lot of people back home have misconceptions about their neighbors or their co-workers. It might be wise to think less about cultural differences and more about human nature. |
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dbmctague
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'm gonna chalk this one up under the "people in general being ignorant of history" column, but my co-teacher (in her mid 40's) guessed that America lost around 500 men in the Korean War.
I'm more curious as to how they're taught about the Korean War and how much the south relied on outside powers to prevent from being annihilated. |
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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The Goalie wrote: |
Stalin84 wrote: |
I might not be as surprised if this had come from and elementary school student but this article comes from a second year student whom is preparing for a university career followed by being an English teacher (she speaks better than she writes, actually). |
Go home and work on your English and we will do our best to set the record straight here. In the meantime, remember that it's not just the Koreans who have misconceptions about people. A lot of people back home have misconceptions about their neighbors or their co-workers. It might be wise to think less about cultural differences and more about human nature. |
Work on my English? I'm a "native speaker."
You have a point but you have to admit a lot of this stuff is rampant and not just limited to one High School student. I'm curious as to where it begins exactly and what is being done to change it. |
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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: Just what are they taught about foreigners in school? |
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rabidcake wrote: |
Stalin84 wrote: |
"In foreigner's home country everyone has a gun but in Korea there are no guns" (ugh, I take it she isn't referring to my Daisy "Red Rider", is she?)
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Right, that's why there is a gun shop at Sangbong station that sells 12ga shotguns.
What a bunch of nonsense. what did this kid do, stay at an all inclusive resort when she went to Canada!
Canada has lots of guns, I'll agree. We had the Iphone LONG before Korea did. LG phones are CRAP! We don't like crap. |
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isthisreally
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: |
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I stayed in the countryside of Nepal one night. One of the high school students I met told me that on meeting you make out with an American woman. Korea is doing quite well... |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Gee, I have this whole place figured out, don't I? |
Well, to an extent, yes! This sort of binary us-vs-them thinking on absolutely everything can be grating. I have to constantly tell people that seeing the entire world as "we Koreans" and "you foreigners" is a little ridiculous if you're saying that Canadians, Egyptians, and Peruvians all think and do the same things.
Having said that, I think we all know stupid or uninformed people at home who say outlandish things. I remember a girl in Newfoundland I knew who was sitting with me at the dorm cafeteria one day. I was joking that Newfoundland would be warmer if they could get all the ships together and tow it further south toward Bermuda. She did not know that the island was connected to the land, believing that all islands by definition float.  |
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