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[Olivencia]

If it's ok for the queers why not:
a. Polygamists?
b. Those who want to marry their sister, brother, father, mother, etc?
c. An animal?

[Fox]

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[banjois]

I grew up Catholic, walked completely away from it, but still get the occasional religious pang.

Then I encounter people like you and remember why I left.

Why do Christians consistently have to wreck Christianity and ignore some of its most fundamental precepts?

On a side note, a dolphin wife would be tons of fun. Nothing but swimming around all day, and then going fishing when you get bored or hungry.

[banjois]

I mean, I understand reservations about gay marriage. I don't have any, but I GET why people might have them. It's a pretty big change to the established order, and I respect somebody's right to say "not for me, thanks" or a church's right not to marry gay people. I'll even listen to those who would argue against it from a rational and respectful perspective. But there's no excuse for being a hateful bigot. Ever. Jesus would look down his nose at you, sigh, and walk away.

[Olivencia]

So many people to respond to so this wil be my last post. One on one debate you'd be slaughtered.


1. Yes a dolphin or chimp could consent.
2. rinthegauntlet try dealing with the facts of this thread. It's people like you I crush in one on one debates...keep up the bad work
3. banjopis one of the fundamental precepts is obedience. You simply want to pick and choose what YOU want to obey...selective obedience. Nope sorry doesn't work that way.
Hateful? We are to hate evil...that is a biblical command. And we are to obey those commands because of love. Do some investigation on what the Bible actually says rather than what you choose to superimpose.

[Sergio Stefanuto]

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[banjois]

Um, dude? I spent a LOT of time studying Christian theology in the middle of my exodus from organized religion, and I'm pretty sure I could beat you at a debate of ANY sort, religious or not. And you know what? "Obedience" is NOT one of the fundamental precepts of Christanity. You're confusing it with that other Abrahamic monotheistic religion that I'm sure you believe is out to destroy you.

But you're right, I do want to pick and choose what I want to obey. That's why I made a lousy Christian. But, I daresay, it's what makes a better and more complete human being. I've encountered several people who managed to combine shining intelligence with genuine faith, and honestly, I'm jealous.

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[banjois]

Man. I had a looooong debate with a friend this afternoon. He held to his opinion that religion was evil and ought to be obliterated. I tried to convince him at length that religion had its merits and while yes, some of it may be delusional, a lot of good and beauty came out of it. And that notions of humility and things larger than ourselves are good limiters to hubris. We ultimately agreed to disagree, and I went on with my day, my soft spot for religion intact.

And then this. My confusion with the crap that a lot of Christians spew is that they don't seem to have actually ingested what Christ said. If you remove all the miracles and son-of-god business, it's basically a decent compilation on how to be a decent human being. And hey, if you can make the leap of faith, keep the miracles and divinity. It gives a nice aura to the whole thing.

I don't know if Christ would have supported gay marriage. Probably not, but he certainly wouldn't have been such a dick about it.

[Fox]

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[djsmnc]

I say let the people decide. From both a rational and religious standpoint.

From a truly Christian perspective, people can choose to live and marry in this way, but they are living in sin. Let people marry whoever they consentually choose, but religions also should have the right not to accept their clergy, priests, shamans, or other heads being homosexuals. If that belief becomes political and affects tax free exemption et al, then so be it. All the more reason to stand up for one's principles and work to make change.

People have the democratic right to make the change in society through legal means, and religious people have the right to try and prevent it through legal means.

Before the advent of Constantinian reform, Christians took peaceful action and mostly won their battles through martyrdom and nonviolence. They knew they were Caeser's byotch and rendered what was his unto him while also practicing what they saw as right. At that time there was rampant homosexuality, abortion, and even baby-exposure which they challenged by setting up orphanages and garnering the support of others to point out flaws in people's actions. For a long time now, though, Christians have largely taken on what is unbiblical (according to New Testament teaching) by hoisting the reigns of government to establish social control.

If someone chooses to stand outside an abortion clinic or pro-gay wedding hall, then so be it, and the people inside have evey right to do what they are doing. Make threats, hurl insults, or use weapons, and you've crossed any biblical and legal lines into the personal. Hold signs that say dying soldiers are going to hell for supporting gay marriage and you're passing judgment. Vote against gay marriage and encourage your local representatives and you are working within your legal means to spread your message compassionately and responsibly. You may be hated or insulted for it, but Christianity is not and will never be the status quo, until the afterlife perhaps, if that's what you believe in. The bible even says that people will be hated and despised for their beliefs and may die in the name of Jesus. That's a choice a real Christian takes on and is ready to face, without harming or pestering others who don't follow this line of thought.

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