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Senior



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Movie: Papillon Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papillon_(film)

I was randomly channel surfing on Sunday and this movie came on. It has Dustin Hoffman and Steve McQueen as prisoners in the French penal colonies in French Guyana. It was really good and I was surprised I had never heard of it. I asked my Dad, who knows quite a lot about movies from that era, and he knew of it but had never seen it.

So, yesterday I met my (Korean) GF for lunch and told her about how I had seen this really obscure movie on Korean TV and how surprising it was that they would play something like that here. She was like "Oh yea, Papillon, that is really famous! Don't you know it?" Apparently it is quite well known here. Koreans even have a saying that if you are wearing vertical stripes they will call you Papillon (Because it is a prison movie).

It's interesting how a piece of western art can have almost no impact in its homeland yet be a part of the cultural landscape in a foreign country. Another example of this is the artist Milet. "The Gleaners" is as famous as the Mona Lisa here, though it is hardly known back home (at least in NZ).
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mulligc3



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of it but just because my sister read the book recently and raved about it. She sent it to me. Good read. Maybe I'll check out the film.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulligc3 wrote:
I've heard of it but just because my sister read the book recently and raved about it. She sent it to me. Good read. Maybe I'll check out the film.


I'm probably going to check out the book, too. It was marketed as a memoir but he originally wrote it as a novel. Apparently it is based on his life but he takes the stories of other prisoners as his own.

I highly recommend the movie. I found the third act to be a bit patchy, though. About 15 years pass in 5 minutes and about 25 different events occur which don't actually add to the story. The ending is quite satisfying, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emm I guess you guys are in your 20's then..

I'm in my 30's and remember watching it with my dad when I like 10!

CLASSIC movie... one of the best ever made..

hows that for a review!?
Ive watched it like 10 times since then.. never get bored of it.. ITS EPIC!
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Senior



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
emm I guess you guys are in your 20's then..

I'm in my 30's and remember watching it with my dad when I like 10!

CLASSIC movie... one of the best ever made..

hows that for a review!?
Ive watched it like 10 times since then.. never get bored of it.. ITS EPIC!


I completely agree with your review. It does have a high rating on Rotten Tomatoes, though.

I would rate it up there with similar movies from that era such as Lawrence of a Arabia and The Great Escape. But it seems to be far less well known.
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madoka



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulligc3 wrote:
I've heard of it but just because my sister read the book recently and raved about it. She sent it to me. Good read. Maybe I'll check out the film.


I imagine the line about Arabs and young boys wouldn't fly well with the PC police these days. Shocked

I never thought that Papillon was that obscure. Watched it as a kid a few times on network TV and it was nominated for an Oscar and a Golden Globe.
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Hightop



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really love this movie. I must have seen it at least 10 times. Steve McQueen got a golden globe nomination from it. MacGyver and SeJong The Great are also well known in Korea.
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Senior



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hightop wrote:
I really love this movie. I must have seen it at least 10 times. Steve McQueen got a golden globe nomination from it. MacGyver and SeJong The Great are also well known in Korea.


MacGyver is a well known in western culture, too. Most kids would know about him. It doesn't seem like Papillon is that well known. I'm not sure how many Korean kids would know about Papillon but it seems like it would be more than western kids.
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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also saw Papillon as a kid. A couple of years ago, I saw the DVD and picked it up. Soon after I read the book. The book is better than the movie, but the movie was and still is excellent. The jungle scene when Papillon is running along with another Spanish convict who gets it through the chest gave me nightmares as a kid. Strong flick.
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Bloopity Bloop



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Movie: Papillon Reply with quote

Senior wrote:

It's interesting how a piece of western art can have almost no impact in its homeland yet be a part of the cultural landscape in a foreign country.


Reminds me of Kim Ki Duk.
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sophie Marceau is another one famous in Korea but not so much elsewhere.
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SHANE02



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get the chance, read "Scars Are My Passport" by George Seaton. It's the author's account of his experiences in the penal colony of French Guiana. Horrible.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senior wrote:
Hightop wrote:
I really love this movie. I must have seen it at least 10 times. Steve McQueen got a golden globe nomination from it. MacGyver and SeJong The Great are also well known in Korea.


MacGyver is a well known in western culture, too. Most kids would know about him. It doesn't seem like Papillon is that well known. I'm not sure how many Korean kids would know about Papillon but it seems like it would be more than western kids.


Papillon was/is a major movie. Two of the biggest stars of the time starred in it! It's extremely well known to anyone with even a passing interest in quality films.

It's quite long so I guess a lot of households who don't like that kind of thing would have switched over to a kung fu movie or something.
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Forward Observer



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That stuff the OP wrote about Papillion "having almost no impact in its homeland" is wrong. Papillion was a big hit and like others have already said, Mcqueen was up for best actor, along with best motion picture.

In 1973, I was a kid. Went to see it with my dad in the theater. Back then, when Mcqueen did a movie, you didn't want to miss it.

Never left food on my plate after that movie. Same goes for Soylent Greent ...want your kids to savor every last bite and not complain? Rent/download that movie.
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Senior



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forward Observer wrote:
That stuff the OP wrote about Papillion "having almost no impact in its homeland" is wrong. Papillion was a big hit and like others have already said, Mcqueen was up for best actor, along with best motion picture.

In 1973, I was a kid. Went to see it with my dad in the theater. Back then, when Mcqueen did a movie, you didn't want to miss it.

Never left food on my plate after that movie. Same goes for Soylent Greent ...want your kids to savor every last bite and not complain? Rent/download that movie.


I can't comment on its impact at the time. But today it isn't exactly famous. You don't hear it referred to in any pop culture references and it doesn't appear on any best of movie lists. It's not on the IMDB top 250 for instance. I'm not a complete movie philistine, but I hadn't heard of it till this week.

I'm not saying "no one has heard of it". I'm saying that it is relatively unknown today in relation to how good a movie it is, and the actors that starred in it.
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