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raptorsfan
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: Why are Koreans obsessed with English rather than Chinese? |
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Korea's an export driven economy, with most of their GDP being generated from exports.
In 2009, China's was easily Korea's #1 export destination accounting for about a quarter of exports with the US being a distance second with just 10%.
In fact, Korea' export dependancy gap between China and US has been widening rapidly and it's been forecasted to get even wider.
If that is the case, why aren't Koreans more aggressive in learning Chinese, instead of English?
Of course, English still will be the international language of business for many decades to come, so Koreans still should focus on learning English.
But, it just seems like they are investing in the wrong language. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:35 am Post subject: |
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I suppose they will eventually reluctantly recognize that China is where their economic future lies......
......but Koreans have such a superiority complex over the Chinese related to all the negative perceptions going around about 'dirty Chinese' etc.......they will only accept the importance of China and Chinese language with bitter reluctance. |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:41 am Post subject: |
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YES.
I do a language exchange 3 times a week with a Chinese grad student who also teaches. She has a ton of students who have majored in Mandarin in college and studied abroad in China for a year. She says that my speaking ability is better than 75% of them and I've studied solo for a year, my Chinese is probably a 4 out of 10 at the moment. She says that they're great at reading the characters but cannot put together a sentence to save their lives.
My thinking (and hers as well) is that they just do the standard Korean abroad lifestyle--live in Wudaokou and only hang out with Koreans, just study a language to pass the test and don't worry about communication. She told me another story about an ajeossi who lived in Qingdao for 10 years and could barely make a sentence. He went back to study after the contraction of the economy last year.
IMO that problem is that lot of Koreans look down on the Chinese thru their racial lense of "they dirty no wash oily food. we are clean Han people" so it limits their social interaction opportunities that are necessary for actual everyday communication. So even the Koreans that DO study Chinese don't seem to nail it. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Old Gil wrote: |
YES.
I do a language exchange 3 times a week with a Chinese grad student who also teaches. She has a ton of students who have majored in Mandarin in college and studied abroad in China for a year. She says that my speaking ability is better than 75% of them and I've studied solo for a year, my Chinese is probably a 4 out of 10 at the moment. She says that they're great at reading the characters but cannot put together a sentence to save their lives.
My thinking (and hers as well) is that they just do the standard Korean abroad lifestyle--live in Wudaokou and only hang out with Koreans, just study a language to pass the test and don't worry about communication. She told me another story about an ajeossi who lived in Qingdao for 10 years and could barely make a sentence. He went back to study after the contraction of the economy last year.
IMO that problem is that lot of Koreans look down on the Chinese thru their racial lense of "they dirty no wash oily food. we are clean Han people" so it limits their social interaction opportunities that are necessary for actual everyday communication. So even the Koreans that DO study Chinese don't seem to nail it. |
I've met several 20-something Korean ladies who spoke fluent Mandarin, some of them had studied abroad and a couple of them had gone to high school there because their dads worked in China. Some of them do learn it to fluency. And actually most of the people in my advanced Chinese class in China were Korean ajummas who had nothing better to do than learn the language because their husbands were working in China and their kids were at school all day, those ladies spoke it pretty well.
However, I do remember one Korean girl actually telling me "I don't like Chinese people" in Chinese. She had lived in Shanghai for a while and she kept telling me the usual "so dirty" stuff and stories about her purse getting stolen. Then that same girl asked me to go drinking with her in Youngdeungpo, which is filthier than any neighborhood I saw in China. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| I have a lots of Korean friends who consider English their 3rd language. Their second language is usually Chinese or Japanese. None of them even have it as their major, just personal interest or hobby. |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| redaxe wrote: |
I've met several 20-something Korean ladies who spoke fluent Mandarin, some of them had studied abroad and a couple of them had gone to high school there because their dads worked in China. Some of them do learn it to fluency. And actually most of the people in my advanced Chinese class in China were Korean ajummas who had nothing better to do than learn the language because their husbands were working in China and their kids were at school all day, those ladies spoke it pretty well.
However, I do remember one Korean girl actually telling me "I don't like Chinese people" in Chinese. She had lived in Shanghai for a while and she kept telling me the usual "so dirty" stuff and stories about her purse getting stolen. Then that same girl asked me to go drinking with her in Youngdeungpo, which is filthier than any neighborhood I saw in China. |
Yeah I'm sure there are a ton of Koreans who are very good at the language, both just students and those living abroad in China, but it seems like the standard study time spent here could be paying out much larger dividends if approached correctly. |
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Hightop

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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| In all my years in Korea and my time studying Chinese I have met many Korean women who can speak Chinese well but I have only every met ONE Korean man who could speak well. I think the superiority complex that Koreans have over Chinese makes it nearly impossible for a Korean man to lower himself to speak Chinese. And when he does study it it is just for show. |
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mayorgc
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| Chinese will be much more prevalent in the future. Won't happen overnight. |
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the_beaver

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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
| Chinese will be much more prevalent in the future. Won't happen overnight. |
It'll become more common, but it's doubtful that it will ever be as important as English. |
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Dev
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Easy question. The answer is simply that English is the business language of the world. The Chinese learn it to do business with the U.S. Plus, it's likely that in any major Chinese company, there's someone that can speak English. If not, translators can be hired cheaply.
I don't know how much an advantage a Korean would get in China being able to speak Chinese. I mean, you know the old saying, "money talks, bullshit walks".
I do think that if / when the Chinese develop into an importer / consumer of imported finished products, then knowing Chinese would have an advantage for Koreans. Basically, what I'm saying is that "the customer is boss". Right now, China is mainly selling its workforce. Most of the buying they do is for raw materials. In this case, they're often in a weak position because they need the stuff. Once we're selling them consumer goods, then we'll be on our hands and kness speaking Chinese. |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| because China invaded south korea and English speaking forces protected it. |
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kinerry
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
| Chinese will be much more prevalent in the future. Won't happen overnight. |
The country exists purely because of it's cheap labor, once that goes away (and it will with increased living conditions), it'll be back to sucking our Americans dong. |
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shinramyun
Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| kinerry wrote: |
The country exists purely because of it's cheap labor, once that goes away (and it will with increased living conditions), it'll be back to sucking our Americans dong. |
This.
China ONLY recently became important because of their ridiculously cheap labor and that is how china makes money.
Hey, I guess that makes their language "cheap" as well.  |
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placeshifter
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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While I agree that Chinese is vitally important for the future, following this logic, all Americans should be forced to learn the language of their financial masters...since China and Japan together "own" the US. |
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raptorsfan
Joined: 16 Jul 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I do think that if / when the Chinese develop into an importer / consumer of imported finished products, then knowing Chinese would have an advantage for Koreans. Basically, what I'm saying is that "the customer is boss". |
Although China is a net exporter when it comes to global trade, Korea runs a large trade surplus with China with most of their exports being high-end goods. So, Koreans with Chineses speaking ability would already be in highly advantageous position over their non Chinese speaking counterparts.
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| The country exists purely because of it's cheap labor, once that goes away (and it will with increased living conditions), it'll be back to sucking our Americans dong. |
Yes, without cheap labor, they would be useless right now. But, once they catch up to the developed world technologically, they will be able to make high end goods. And yes, labor costs will climb, but it will still only be a fraction of those in the developed world.
So,by being able to produce high end goods that are priced significantly lower than those made in the developed world, how are other nations going to compete?
Trade embargo?
That's not going to happen as no nation is going to give up on the huge Chinese consumer market. |
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