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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:53 am Post subject: Boss screwing me question |
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Like an idoit I signed a contract with a 6% tax rate. It reads exactly like this:
A tax of about 6% will be paid to the Korean Government
I didn't realize what I had done until I got my first paycheck and 126,000 won was deducted for taxes on top of 4.5% for pension and 2.3% for health insurance.
My boss gave me a statement showing my deductions. I took it to the NTS office and they said I should be paying 38,500 won per month. They gave me documentation saying so, and a copy of the simplified tax tables to give my boss. I just assumed he had made a mistake. I gave him the documentation, and he told me that his accountant told him he needs to withold 6%, and he gives it all to the government. So back to NTS I went, and they told me he had paid 38,500 won. I confronted him with this information and he said "It's tradition and I already signed the contract for 6%.
What should I do.. It can't be legal to over withold taxes. He basically admitted that he was keeping the money. If that is what I contracted for, amd I screwed?
It really sucks because I otherwise love the job and got along with him really well until this came up.
Thanks for the help all.. and please I know I screwed up.. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have signed the contract. |
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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Resign and file with labor against your employer. Find another job. Don't let this continue.
BTW, he's probably cheating you in some other way, too. Check everything. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Tradition. Yes, your boss may have a point... |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Why are [Mod Edit attributed all of the people of a nationality] such shady characters? To think that its ok to tell someone to their face that they steal from them because it is tradition? Something is wrong with these people. They have no conscience!
N.B. I checked with the pension office and he is making the proper contribution.. 9% of my salary (and taking 4.5% out of my paycheck). |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
Tradition. Yes, your boss may have a point... |
If boss is so reliant on what the contract says, he would at least pay all of your 6% to the tax office. I wonder if Koreans know what this does to their image throughout the world.
He uses this double barrel argument of signed contract plus tradition.
You go the same way, and ask how Korean tradition can mug people, be brazenly dishonest. Then as second pincer, introduce the labor board as threat.
I don't think the labor board can do anything, their brief elsewhere of tax. But he won't know that. Actually, neither do I.
I wouldn't leave for another job. In context it's small potatoes, you don't want a bunch of upheaval over this for now.
After 6 months when you're well entrenched, take it up a notch.
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:33 am Post subject: |
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I don't think Hagwon bosses care what other people think of them.
They are more concerned about appearing strong as in
(being able to short-change employees).
A boss who caves in to all employee demands would be considered weak and or not a good businessman. |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:27 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't leave for another job. In context it's small potatoes, you don't want a bunch of upheaval over this for now. |
Over the course of a year it is 1,050,000 won he's pocketing out of my paycheck. That is over 1/2 months work. I would never consider letting an employer screw me out of $1,000 back home. Why should I do it here? Should I bend to the Korean culture of underhanded corruption and turn my head like so many Koreans do? Should I drop the issue for the sake of saving face and go about my day like I'm his friend? That chicken has flown its coop. I can never respect anyone who steals from me, and I don't know if I can even work under the employ of someone who admitingly steals from me and continues to do it.
Shifty.. you sound unsure about approaching the labor board. Does anyone have any better knowledge of it, or ever been in a similar situation. At the very least he is breaking the contract as it says [.. will be paid to the Korean Government], which he admits to not doing. Any more advice?
I don't know how this society expects to compete on the world stage. Any gains attained from the trillions of won spent for the little improvements in English are quickly offset by the underhandedness, shady dealings and complete disregard for contractual obligations; not to mention a complete lack morality in business dealings. I wonder if one attribute of the high suicide rate in Korea is a result of one's conscience finally catching up to one's self.
I think we're going to see more shady hakwon directors show their faces in the midst of the crumbling western economies. They know they can replace teachers on a whim and don't care about loosing a good teacher to pocket a few bucks. [/quote] |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: |
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I hadn't done the arithmetic and didn't realise it was quite so much.
In day to day it will plague you until it becomes out of all proportion to real magnitude. This is a real problem, a possible souring of attitude in a job that needs a vocational touch, a killer for essential joi de vivre.
In the old days 5% was the limit of cheating, Koreans thinking the Waygukin was most amenable to the round number. But 5% has been slowly driven down to 3.3% where it hovers now.
6% is going back to the dark ages, an insult added to injury.
However, your loss is not so great. Be philosophical about it, both in terms of relatively small amount and widespread cheating in the overall Korean EFL sense.
Your loss will be greater if you make a fuss now and be forced to switch jobs. Make a stand sure, labor board and moral suasion, but don't go over the brink.
You'll recoup it, you'll see. |
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DaHu
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Every time in Asia I ask why something is (insert whatever negative thing here), the answer is "tradition". |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Boss screwing me question |
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cincynate wrote: |
Like an idoit I signed a contract with a 6% tax rate. It reads exactly like this:
A tax of about 6% will be paid to the Korean Government
I didn't realize what I had done until I got my first paycheck and 126,000 won was deducted for taxes on top of 4.5% for pension and 2.3% for health insurance.
My boss gave me a statement showing my deductions. I took it to the NTS office and they said I should be paying 38,500 won per month. They gave me documentation saying so, and a copy of the simplified tax tables to give my boss. I just assumed he had made a mistake. I gave him the documentation, and he told me that his accountant told him he needs to withold 6%, and he gives it all to the government. So back to NTS I went, and they told me he had paid 38,500 won. I confronted him with this information and he said "It's tradition and I already signed the contract for 6%.
What should I do.. It can't be legal to over withold taxes. He basically admitted that he was keeping the money. If that is what I contracted for, amd I screwed?
It really sucks because I otherwise love the job and got along with him really well until this came up.
Thanks for the help all.. and please I know I screwed up.. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have signed the contract. |
Tell your boss that you like Korea, you lik him, you like your job, you like your students and that you can't keep working for him as long as he continues taking 87,500 won per month too much out of your pay. Ask him to stop and to refund to you the excess withholding so far.
Do this in person and hand him a letter with the same message.
Then, hope for the best and be prepared to quit or be fired. You will probably want to prepare the documents you need in advance and maybe begin your job search. But it shouldn't be to hard to find a new job making more than 2.1 mil per month since you're already in Korea with some experience. |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ok.. so he came up to me yesterday, and told me that the most important thing to him is that I am happy and that we have a good working relationship. He said he will change my tax to 1.9% and pay me back for what he has already taken. Thanks for the advice ontheway.. It seamed to work! |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Boss screwing me question |
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That's kind of wrong. Find another job.
cincynate wrote: |
Like an idoit I signed a contract with a 6% tax rate. It reads exactly like this:
A tax of about 6% will be paid to the Korean Government
I didn't realize what I had done until I got my first paycheck and 126,000 won was deducted for taxes on top of 4.5% for pension and 2.3% for health insurance.
My boss gave me a statement showing my deductions. I took it to the NTS office and they said I should be paying 38,500 won per month. They gave me documentation saying so, and a copy of the simplified tax tables to give my boss. I just assumed he had made a mistake. I gave him the documentation, and he told me that his accountant told him he needs to withold 6%, and he gives it all to the government. So back to NTS I went, and they told me he had paid 38,500 won. I confronted him with this information and he said "It's tradition and I already signed the contract for 6%.
What should I do.. It can't be legal to over withold taxes. He basically admitted that he was keeping the money. If that is what I contracted for, amd I screwed?
It really sucks because I otherwise love the job and got along with him really well until this came up.
Thanks for the help all.. and please I know I screwed up.. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have signed the contract. |
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Deranged Ranger
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Walk yet, or still getting cheated on a volunteer basis? |
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different
Joined: 22 May 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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If it makes you feel better, be aware that half the small hagwons in Korea probably aren't paying teachers' taxes to the tax office AT ALL.
In a way, it is tradition. |
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