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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: License to Kill Reply with quote

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License to Kill? Intelligence Chief Says U.S. Can Take Out American Terrorists

The director of national intelligence affirmed rather bluntly today that the U.S. intelligence community has authority to target American citizens for assassination if they present a direct terrorist threat to the United States.

Information gained from the Christmas Day bomber has officials on high alert.

"We take direct actions against terrorists in the intelligence community; if � we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that," Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair told the House Intelligence Committee.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra D-Mich., addressed the issue at today's hearing.

"The targeting of Americans -- it's a very sensitive issue, but again there's been more information in the public domain than what has been shared with this committee," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/license-kill-intelligence-chief-us-american-terrorist/story?id=9740491

Out of control.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as long as they are sensitive about it. Rolling Eyes

Wasn't James Bond British?
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cases listed are almost all about guys who don't even have western names. Therefore, I'm for it.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is totally unreasonable. A police officer shooting a criminal citizen as a last resort in a situation where innocent lives are in immediate danger is one thing; preemptively assassinating our own citizens because we think they might represent a terrorist threat is something else entirely.

If someone presents a direct terrorist threat to the United States, arrest them and try them in a court of law. If you lack sufficient evidence to try them and find them guilty, just killing them out of hand is madness.
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The Happy Warrior



Joined: 10 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel really uncomfortable with this. Can someone present a balanced argument why the CIA should break with past policy and kill Americans?
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I hear about the first CIA agent blowing his or her own brains out, then and only then will I believe they're serious about killing American terrorists. Until then, it's just hype.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Obama is not going to change this kind of stuff, who will?
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I talk smack about the American gov't to anyone who feels like listening. Guess I better watch my back.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
If Obama is not going to change this kind of stuff, who will?


Politicians who are actually scared of being voted out by their constituents, or even better, scared of being recalled before their term is finished.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not only terrorists.

Quote:
"Since last March, when I wrote a story about the apparent suicide of Col. Ted Westhusing in Iraq, I had believed there was nothing else to write about his tragic death.

But in December, I talked to a source in the Department of Defense who met Westhusing in Iraq about three months before his death. The source, who asked not to be identified for fear of reprisals, was investigating claims of wrongdoing against military contractors working in Iraq. After a short introduction, I asked him what he thought had happened to Westhusing. 'I think he was killed. I honestly do. I think he was murdered,' the source told me. 'Maybe DOD didn�t have enough evidence to call it murder, so they called it suicide.' "

Tonight, we interview author Robert Bryce about this sad tale.

Listen to the interview.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The House of Death case is notorious - IF you have even heard of it. Sibel Edmonds has been trying to blow the whistle on this one as well. There are a bunch of interviews with law enforcement and reporters about this also that you can listen to on the Expert Witness website, or read more at the following link:

Tracking the Bloody Footprints in the House of Death

A Diary of U.S.-Backed Mass Murder in Mexico

By Bill Conroy
Special to The Narco News Bulletin
December�8,�2005


The House of Death looks like a typical middle-class home tucked in a residential neighborhood in the Mexican border town of Ciudad Ju�rez, across the Rio Grande from El Paso, Texas.

But in reality, it is a portal into the shadowy world of narco-trafficking, a crossroads where torture and murder were carried out by ruthless thugs, including corrupt Mexican law enforcers.

This portal, for those who care to enter it, also reveals that U.S. law enforcers and prosecutors have been drawn into its shadows because they knowingly allowed the murder factory to churn out victims in an effort to advance their careers as part of the warped mission of the so-called war on drugs.

Between August 2003 and mid-January of 2004, a dozen people were kidnapped, tortured and butchered at the House of Death in Ju�rez with the help of a U.S. government informant�who was under the watch of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents and an Assistant U.S. Attorney in El Paso.

When the informant’s role came to light, after his activities nearly cost the lives of a DEA agent and his family, rather than investigate the callous activities of U.S. law enforcers who allowed the informant to commit murder under government cover, the leadership of the U.S. Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE, chose to bury the facts along with the bodies.

A cover-up was hatched, that continues to this day, and the high-ranking DEA agent, Sandalio Gonzalez, who blew the whistle on the whole sordid affair, became yet another victim of the House of Death�his career ruined in the aftermath of a calculated effort to silence the messenger.


detailed diary included at link
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought CIA was not allowed to operate within the US (or is that simply a TV thing?)
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
I thought CIA was not allowed to operate within the US (or is that simply a TV thing?)


It's not. The dude interviewed wasn't the director of the CIA.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure you have to be an american operative for a terrorist organization.

As far as I'm concerned individuals can feel however they like about the U.S., it's a free world. But if they are knowingly helping to bring down an airplane that I might be on, I hope the CIA gets them.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
I'm pretty sure you have to be an american operative for a terrorist organization.

As far as I'm concerned individuals can feel however they like about the U.S., it's a free world. But if they are knowingly helping to bring down an airplane that I might be on, I hope the CIA gets them.


Conversely, if they're knowingly helping to bring down an airplane that I might be on, I want them to be handled in accordance with the law rather than summarily executed by CIA operatives, just like any other type of criminal.
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