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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: I'm having a hard time making friends Reply with quote

This is my first year living in Korea. I'm living in Guri and working at a hagwon in Dosim. I am the only foreign teacher. There is only one other person working there- my boss.

What are some good plans for meeting new people? I read that in Korean culture it would be unusual to converse with those to whom you have not been introduced.

I'd like to meet locals and also as many foreigners as possible (to find those few with whom I would be most compatible).

I've thought about making fliers to advertise for a language exchange. Where would be a legal and appropriate place to hang these?

I've been disgusted and disappointed by the majority of expats I've met thus far, and I decided not to associate with them anymore rather than lower my standards, this despite the fact that I'm feeling loneliness and isolation.

The sad part is, I've been here seven months, and still don't have any close friends.

Back home in the United States, it was much more fulfilling for me socially.

I'm not sure what all specific steps I should be taking to better my circumstances. If anyone has some ideas, I'm all ears.
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: I'm having a hard time making friends Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
This is my first year living in Korea. I'm living in Guri and working at a hagwon in Dosim. I am the only foreign teacher. There is only one other person working there- my boss.

What are some good plans for meeting new people? I read that in Korean culture it would be unusual to converse with those to whom you have not been introduced.

I'd like to meet locals and also as many foreigners as possible (to find those few with whom I would be most compatible).

I've thought about making fliers to advertise for a language exchange. Where would be a legal and appropriate place to hang these?

I've been disgusted and disappointed by the majority of expats I've met thus far, and I decided not to associate with them anymore rather than lower my standards, this despite the fact that I'm feeling loneliness and isolation.
The sad part is, I've been here seven months, and still don't have any close friends.

Back home in the United States, it was much more fulfilling for me socially.

I'm not sure what all specific steps I should be taking to better my circumstances. If anyone has some ideas, I'm all ears.


Sorry, there is no gentleman's club or polo league for you to partake in....drop your standards...

Anyway...if your really desperate for korean friends....learning korean helps followed by lang exchanges...which can be found online, through friends or hell...even in clubs strangely enough...K-friends aren't too difficult to find...although they can be too busy to hang out....

Foreigners...same as anywhere else
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J Rock



Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Location: The center of the Earth, Suji

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What worked for me is a couple things.

1. Going out to bars after work and just having a couple of drinks by yourself and eventually someone will come up to you and start talking.

2. Some of the mothers at my school invited me over for dinner, they basically wanted me to interact with their kids but i ended up hanging out with the dads and they were actually pretty cool. They were in their 30's so they were close to my age, we left and went to the bar and met up with some more of their friends. To this day i still hangout with some of those guys, not often but we still meet up for a drink once in a while.

3. My favorite way I met somebody (not sure if it was ethical) was a 12 year old student asked why i didn't have a girlfriend. I replied my standard response to kids: Korean girls don't like me. He then said why don't you date my sister, i'm thinking yeah right how old is she 15. He ended up showing me a picture and she was 23 years old and fairly good looking. He gave her my number and she ended up texting me, we ended up dating for around 3 months, I suspect she just wanted a free English lessson but I enjoyed being around her.

I felt a little strange being setup by a 12 year old but nobody seemd to have a problem with it.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Rock wrote:
What worked for me is a couple things.

1. Going out to bars after work and just having a couple of drinks by yourself and eventually someone will come up to you and start talking.

2. Some of the mothers at my school invited me over for dinner, they basically wanted me to interact with their kids but i ended up hanging out with the dads and they were actually pretty cool. They were in their 30's so they were close to my age, we left and went to the bar and met up with some more of their friends. To this day i still hangout with some of those guys, not often but we still meet up for a drink once in a while.

3. My favorite way I met somebody (not sure if it was ethical) was a 12 year old student asked why i didn't have a girlfriend. I replied my standard response to kids: Korean girls don't like me. He then said why don't you date my sister, i'm thinking yeah right how old is she 15. He ended up showing me a picture and she was 23 years old and fairly good looking. He gave her my number and she ended up texting me, we ended up dating for around 3 months, I suspect she just wanted a free English lessson but I enjoyed being around her.

I felt a little strange being setup by a 12 year old but nobody seemd to have a problem with it
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lol you got some nads bro, but thats why i love korea, its really relaxed here. can you imagine trying to tht back in the States?!!

OP-- just try doing the language exchange thing. you may have to contact 20 people before you find a true friend, but its worth it in the end.
I dont know where you live, but if its anywhere within an hour on the trains and by Bucheon or Seoul, you are welcome to come out with me any weekend. hell, every weekend, i dont care.
I made a thread similar to this a month ago and i have friends now, but i TRIED to make them! You MUST network! find one friend then make friends with all of their friends. you must be pro-active (which im sure you have been). going to the bar by yourself doesnt have to be the only way. . . i dont like doing that bc i feel like a loser going by myself and i made friends fine without going to the bars.
but another way is to check facebook and see if there are any pages dedicated to your city and just email people who look sane, and just PM them, tell them your situation and im sure you'll meet some cool people.
The offer with me to hang out with me and my friends is open, but im not familiar with your city, so give me a shout if live nearby and we'll hang out.
later bro. keep your head on a swivel for potential friends and be friendly, you'll find people in no time. dont sweat it!
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janafromfrance



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know exactly what you mean, I was in the same situation when I first came. I actually still hate it here, but am soon to leave. I just teach, surf the internet, study languages, write friends, chat with friends, count my money, and look forward to my next trip to Thailand. I think having goals is the big part, keep focused on what you can do with the money you save, my money will go to grad school, a trip around the world, and a few trips to JAPAN! I am going to Tokyo for a short vacation soon, then I will have a blast! That keeps me happy, and a friend is coming to visit me from France soon~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try
http://www.hanlingo.com/

Announce that you want to find some Korean friends to hang out with who like practicing their English. You'll get a bunch of people write to you. Some of them will invite you to go out drinking with their other friends, some will give you a tour of the city, some just want to hang out at a cafe and drink coffee and talk. You get a variety.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be curious to know in what way the expats had disgusted you. Unless they're acting out Heart of Darkness in rural Korea they can't be all that bad...

Or could they? Shocked
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.38 Special wrote:
...acting out Heart of Darkness in rural Korea

Ah, how apt.

Heart of Darkness plot summary:

Quote:
The story opens with five men, apparently colleagues, on a boat on the Thames. Marlow begins telling a story of a job he took as captain of a steamship in Africa. When he arrives at the job, he encounters many men he dislikes as they strike him as untrustworthy. They speak often of a man named Kurtz, who has quite a reputation in many areas of expertise.

Marlow finds that his steamship has been sunk and spends several months waiting for parts to repair it. Kurtz is rumored to be ill, making the delays in repairing the ship all the more costly. Marlow eventually gets the parts and he and the manager set out with a few agents and a crew of cannibals on a long, difficult voyage up the river. The dense jungle and the oppressive silence make everyone aboard a little jumpy, and the occasional glimpse of a native village or the sound of drums works the voyagers into a frenzy.

Marlow and his crew come across a hut with stacked firewood together with a note saying that the wood is for them but that they should approach cautiously. Shortly after the steamer has taken on the firewood it is surrounded by a dense fog. When the fog clears, the ship is attacked by an unseen band of natives, who fire arrows from the safety of the forest. A Russian trader who meets them as they come ashore, assures them that everything is fine and informs them that he is the one who left the wood. Kurtz has established himself as a god with the natives and has gone on brutal raids in the surrounding territory in search of ivory.

Marlow and his crew take the ailing Kurtz aboard their ship and depart. Kurtz is lodged in Marlow's pilothouse and Marlow begins to see that Kurtz is every bit as grandiose as previously described. During this time, Kurtz gives Marlow a collection of papers and a photograph for safekeeping; both had witnessed the manager going through Kurtz's belongings. The photograph is of a beautiful woman whom Marlow assumes is Kurtz's love interest.

One night Marlow happens upon Kurtz, obviously near death. As Marlow comes closer with a candle, Kurtz seems to experience a moment of clarity and speaks his last words: "The horror! The horror!" Marlow believes this to be Kurtz's reflection on the events of his life. Marlow does not inform the manager or any of the other voyagers of Kurtz's death; the news is instead broken by the manager's child-servant.

Marlow later returns to his home city and is confronted by many people seeking things and ideas of Kurtz. Marlow eventually sees Kurtz's fianc�e about a year later; she is still in mourning. She asks Marlow about Kurtz's death and Marlow informs her that his last words were her name � rather than, as really happened, "The horror! The horror!"

The story concludes as the scene returns to the trip on the Thames and mentions how it seems as though the boat is drifting into the heart of the darkness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Darkness
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: I'm having a hard time making friends Reply with quote

Ukon wrote:
World Traveler wrote:
This is my first year living in Korea. I'm living in Guri and working at a hagwon in Dosim. I am the only foreign teacher. There is only one other person working there- my boss.

What are some good plans for meeting new people? I read that in Korean culture it would be unusual to converse with those to whom you have not been introduced.

I'd like to meet locals and also as many foreigners as possible (to find those few with whom I would be most compatible).

I've thought about making fliers to advertise for a language exchange. Where would be a legal and appropriate place to hang these?

I've been disgusted and disappointed by the majority of expats I've met thus far, and I decided not to associate with them anymore rather than lower my standards, this despite the fact that I'm feeling loneliness and isolation.
The sad part is, I've been here seven months, and still don't have any close friends.

Back home in the United States, it was much more fulfilling for me socially.

I'm not sure what all specific steps I should be taking to better my circumstances. If anyone has some ideas, I'm all ears.


Sorry, there is no gentleman's club or polo league for you to partake in....drop your standards...

Anyway...if your really desperate for korean friends....learning korean helps followed by lang exchanges...which can be found online, through friends or hell...even in clubs strangely enough...K-friends aren't too difficult to find...although they can be too busy to hang out....

Foreigners...same as anywhere else


Doesn't the term "gentleman's club" normally refer to a strip club?

To be fair to the OP, a lot of us are raging alcoholics and/or antisocial jerks. If you don't get along with those types well, Korea probably isn't the best place for you.

Online language exchangey is a good fallback option though. I still have a couple of good friends who I met that way when I first got here.
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I felt that way for awhile...for a long while. It seemed that I kept meeting people who were either extremely shallow and debauched, or very self-righteously religious. I couldn't stand either sort. The key is not to give up. Finding community is a key to a successful time in Korea.

My route was very indirect. Someone from home put me in touch with a friend who went to a church that had a coffee shop near Jeongja. I attended a special event there, then I met someone cool who invited me to her church. I took her up on the invite and I met a bunch of cool people there. Now that I'm home, I really miss those people and I plan to go back.

The book swap at The Wolfhound was also made up of cool people. A book club started from there and I enjoyed those people very much. Just try to find some activities that you are interested in and go from there.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best thing to do is to go to an open mike Karaoke (if they do that in Korea, I ain't there yet), and go to sing something, then 'accidentally' fall down, knocking as many drinks of other people's as you possibly can. the larger the disaster, the higher the chance *somebody* will sympathise and talk to you. Then just reel them in.

I am basically awful at making friends too so I'll be in that situation soon enough. I think I've made about 2 friends max in my life, the rest have generally made friends with me whilst I sat silently, mumbling appreciation.

Hmm this gives me an idea for *another* post. This will be called 'Andy's ESL Cafe' within no time.
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CapnSamwise



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have only ever heard Gentlemen's Clubs refer to strip joints.
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Kurtz



Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.38 Special wrote:
I'd be curious to know in what way the expats had disgusted you. Unless they're acting out Heart of Darkness in rural Korea they can't be all that bad...

Or could they? Shocked


The horror!

The only reason I came here was to start up my own cult. I set up shop in the hills of Busan, but the locals don't seem to be responding very well, all I get is unfriendly looks. I tried to get them onside with free English, even a smile but to no avail. Off to Papua New Guinea next to try my luck.
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smartwentcrazy



Joined: 26 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

janafromfrance wrote:
I know exactly what you mean, I was in the same situation when I first came. I actually still hate it here, but am soon to leave. I just teach, surf the internet, study languages, write friends, chat with friends, count my money, and look forward to my next trip to Thailand. I think having goals is the big part, keep focused on what you can do with the money you save, my money will go to grad school, a trip around the world, and a few trips to JAPAN! I am going to Tokyo for a short vacation soon, then I will have a blast! That keeps me happy, and a friend is coming to visit me from France soon~~~~~~~~~~~~


Don't lie to yourself - you don't have any friends! Judging from your posts, it's pretty easy to see why you have such a hard time with people:

a) You're ugly
b) You're a pretentious bitch
c) You're fat
d) All of the above

I'll go with all of the above.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smartwentcrazy wrote:
janafromfrance wrote:
I know exactly what you mean, I was in the same situation when I first came. I actually still hate it here, but am soon to leave. I just teach, surf the internet, study languages, write friends, chat with friends, count my money, and look forward to my next trip to Thailand. I think having goals is the big part, keep focused on what you can do with the money you save, my money will go to grad school, a trip around the world, and a few trips to JAPAN! I am going to Tokyo for a short vacation soon, then I will have a blast! That keeps me happy, and a friend is coming to visit me from France soon~~~~~~~~~~~~


Don't lie to yourself - you don't have any friends! Judging from your posts, it's pretty easy to see why you have such a hard time with people:

a) You're ugly
b) You're a pretentious bitch
c) You're fat
d) All of the above

I'll go with all of the above.


You missed the important one out: that Janafromohio lies a lot, too. Unless she really has made stupid amounts of money in no time at all, visited Thailand, etc., etc., etc. I suppose it is difficult to make friends when you are a troll.
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