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GENO123
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Propaganda lesson: This is how you mongrelize and destroy the genetic and cultural identity and cohesion of a group. You repeat over and over and over again that they NEED outsiders to infiltrate their society in large numbers; then braindead cattle like the fellow above will repeat it to others as if it is in any way actually true.
Here’s the reality: The US is beyond bankrupt, it has more debt than it will ever be able to repay. Low IQ immigrants are a net burden financially and otherwise on that system and an economy that has exported low-skilled labor at a record pace while facing increased automation. No nation of people “needs” immigration; but corrupt capitalists certainly want cheaper labor.
Japan will be fine, back to Israel. |
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Far from it. Stating that Japan must import outsiders so it can maintain a 120+ mil population is ignorant. Contraction is fine, and never-ending growth is unreasonable. |
Economic contraction is fine?
you are one dumb FK
Japan's debt .
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/japan
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/government-debt-to-gdp |
Altering your demographic purity for the sake of paying off debt to international financiers is the epitome of stupidity. Thankfully the Japanese aren't stupid. |
YOU are stupid. People will really want to own yen . Japan of course imports its food and energy That is okay I always wanted to go to Japan and live the life of the Emperor of Japan on ten dollars a day. If they follow your advice they can make that a reality .
What you say must all be the result of inbreeding . |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Propaganda lesson: This is how you mongrelize and destroy the genetic and cultural identity and cohesion of a group. You repeat over and over and over again that they NEED outsiders to infiltrate their society in large numbers; then braindead cattle like the fellow above will repeat it to others as if it is in any way actually true.
Here’s the reality: The US is beyond bankrupt, it has more debt than it will ever be able to repay. Low IQ immigrants are a net burden financially and otherwise on that system and an economy that has exported low-skilled labor at a record pace while facing increased automation. No nation of people “needs” immigration; but corrupt capitalists certainly want cheaper labor.
Japan will be fine, back to Israel. |
ignorant |
Far from it. Stating that Japan must import outsiders so it can maintain a 120+ mil population is ignorant. Contraction is fine, and never-ending growth is unreasonable. |
Economic contraction is fine?
you are one dumb FK
Japan's debt .
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/japan
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/government-debt-to-gdp |
Altering your demographic purity for the sake of paying off debt to international financiers is the epitome of stupidity. Thankfully the Japanese aren't stupid. |
Hey stupid . People will really want to own yen . Japan of course imports its food and energy That is okay I always wanted to go to Japan and live the life of the Emperor of Japan on ten dollars a day. If they follow your advice they can make that a reality .
What you say must all be the result of inbreeding . |
The lack of short-term mindedness you display is what will ensure their long-term success. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Propaganda lesson: This is how you mongrelize and destroy the genetic and cultural identity and cohesion of a group. You repeat over and over and over again that they NEED outsiders to infiltrate their society in large numbers; then braindead cattle like the fellow above will repeat it to others as if it is in any way actually true.
Here’s the reality: The US is beyond bankrupt, it has more debt than it will ever be able to repay. Low IQ immigrants are a net burden financially and otherwise on that system and an economy that has exported low-skilled labor at a record pace while facing increased automation. No nation of people “needs” immigration; but corrupt capitalists certainly want cheaper labor.
Japan will be fine, back to Israel. |
ignorant |
Far from it. Stating that Japan must import outsiders so it can maintain a 120+ mil population is ignorant. Contraction is fine, and never-ending growth is unreasonable. |
Economic contraction is fine?
you are one dumb FK
Japan's debt .
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/japan
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/government-debt-to-gdp |
Altering your demographic purity for the sake of paying off debt to international financiers is the epitome of stupidity. Thankfully the Japanese aren't stupid. |
Hey stupid . People will really want to own yen . Japan of course imports its food and energy That is okay I always wanted to go to Japan and live the life of the Emperor of Japan on ten dollars a day. If they follow your advice they can make that a reality .
What you say must all be the result of inbreeding . |
The lack of short-term mindedness you display is what will ensure their long-term success. |
Japan can not fund itself on tax revenues you moron. And taxe revenues go down as they age.
Look at that curve. Wow just tragic.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/government-debt-to-gdp
Go do Operation Barbarossa. |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Japan can not fund itself on tax revenues you handsome genius. And taxe revenues go down as they age. |
That's still no reason to fundamentally alter the nation's demographics. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Japan can not fund itself on tax revenues you handsome genius. And taxe revenues go down as they age. |
That's still no reason to fundamentally alter the nation's demographics. |
only cause they won't be able to have the tax revenue to support the government. Japan's debt is 23x times tax revenues. And it will get worse you dope. You have the economic sense that god gave a sheep. |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| Japan can not fund itself on tax revenues you handsome genius. And taxe revenues go down as they age. |
That's still no reason to fundamentally alter the nation's demographics. |
only cause they won't be able to have the tax revenue to support the government. Japan's debt is 23x times tax revenues. And it will get worse you dope. You have the economic sense that god gave a sheep. |
Debt is a tool that is used to control people and nations, and blind servitude to paying off interest on endless piles of debt will not last forever. There will come a day when Japan and many others will tell the international web of Jewish creditors and financiers to get out of their countries, and they'll default on that debt and nationalize their banking systems. Importing outsiders is not the answer to these kinds of problems. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Japan can not fund itself on tax revenues you handsome genius. And taxe revenues go down as they age. |
That's still no reason to fundamentally alter the nation's demographics. |
only cause they won't be able to have the tax revenue to support the government. Japan's debt is 23x times tax revenues. And it will get worse you dope. You have the economic sense that god gave a sheep. |
Debt is a tool that is used to control people and nations, and blind servitude to paying off interest on endless piles of debt will not last forever. There will come a day when Japan and many others will tell the international web of Jewish creditors and financiers to get out of their countries, and they'll default on that debt and nationalize their banking systems. Importing outsiders is not the answer to these kinds of problems. |
You are getting to be a parody of yourself.
good then they can fund themselves with tax revenues oh wait they can't . It will also throw Japan into depression because many of those who own the debt are older Japanese people who will lose their entire savings.
What will happen as Japan's population shrinks will their GDP increase or decrease?
You are too dumb to be allowed to have children. |
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Swartz
Joined: 19 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Japan can not fund itself on tax revenues you handsome genius. And taxe revenues go down as they age. |
That's still no reason to fundamentally alter the nation's demographics. |
only cause they won't be able to have the tax revenue to support the government. Japan's debt is 23x times tax revenues. And it will get worse you dope. You have the economic sense that god gave a sheep. |
Debt is a tool that is used to control people and nations, and blind servitude to paying off interest on endless piles of debt will not last forever. There will come a day when Japan and many others will tell the international web of Jewish creditors and financiers to get out of their countries, and they'll default on that debt and nationalize their banking systems. Importing outsiders is not the answer to these kinds of problems. |
You are getting to be a parody of yourself.
good then they can fund themselves with tax revenues oh wait they can't . It will also throw Japan into depression because many of those who own the debt are older Japanese people who will lose their entire savings.
What will happen as Japan's population shrinks will their GDP increase or decrease?
You are too dumb to be allowed to have children. |
By my calculation, you got about 3-4 hours of sleep then came back to post more drivel in the middle of the night. That indicates very unhealthy behavior, and clearly your mind isn't in a stable place. If me exposing your Wikipedia source in the other thread is really getting to you this much, to the point where you felt the need to dig up and rehash a response I gave you a year ago – the only other time we'd interacted before the other day – it might be best to back off and get your priorities straight.
I'm aware that you're under the impression that if you shout loud enough, it will give the appearance of a victory, but that tactic doesn't actually work when all you're capable of doing is mimicking globalist talking points.
Now try to pay attention. The globalist strategy of forcing mass immigration on developed nations with low birth rates in order to increase economic output is a losing strategy that usually results in countries having to take on more debt since the immigrants are more often than not third worlders with negligible skills. The global financial system relies on constant growth, which is fueled by the constant need for its vassal states to take on more debt, because they know that as soon as economies begin contracting and there are fewer people around, there will be fewer people to take on more debt, and then their scheme will come crashing down on them. But if they can convince nations to import a bunch of incompetent Africans or Muslims, those nations will have to take out more loans to finance their welfare, to give them money to buy things, to build more housing to store them, to create menial jobs for them, to give the oversupply of lawyers work when they break the law, etc., therefore giving the illusion of growth. But it's nothing more than a scam with phoney short term gains at the long term expense of the nation itself. I don't know what Japan should do in the short term and I don't really care, but I'm sure they'll figure something out. What I do know is what they shouldn't do, and that is allow mass immigration into their nation as the West is doing so that they can get fleeced further and become even more entangled in the globalist web of debt. The Japanese are smart, hence their reluctance to go along with this backwards plan. |
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Fox
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| Reading back through this thread, it seems my position has thus far been vindicated. The Israel Government continues to conduct itself more-or-less in the same fashion, the number of settlers has increased by hundreds of thousands, and the world continuing to offer Palestinians the false hope of a better deal has ensured negotiations have not gone anywhere. Admittedly, it's only been five years, but the rate of population increase in those settlements is pretty amazing, and as more years slip by, demands for Israel to evacuate them (or conjure "equivalent" lands out of thin air to hand over in their place) will only become less feasible. As I see it, the international community has blown its chance. It could have brought its influence to bear quickly and decisively, pushing the Palestinians to accept a deal that, while perhaps not absolutely ideal for them, could at least form the basis of a viable state going forward. As Israel continues to absorb both the land and economically integrate the potential workforce of a hypothetical Palestine, it will make less and less sense to even entertain the notion of two separate countries. Of course, the fact that it makes little sense is no impediment to international support for it, and ironically, that stubborn support has (and will probably continue to play) a meaningful role in undermining the allegedly desired outcome. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Reading back through this thread, it seems my position has thus far been vindicated. The Israel Government continues to conduct itself more-or-less in the same fashion, the number of settlers has increased by hundreds of thousands, and the world continuing to offer Palestinians the false hope of a better deal has ensured negotiations have not gone anywhere. Admittedly, it's only been five years, but the rate of population increase in those settlements is pretty amazing, and as more years slip by, demands for Israel to evacuate them (or conjure "equivalent" lands out of thin air to hand over in their place) will only become less feasible. As I see it, the international community has blown its chance. It could have brought its influence to bear quickly and decisively, pushing the Palestinians to accept a deal that, while perhaps not absolutely ideal for them, could at least form the basis of a viable state going forward. As Israel continues to absorb both the land and economically integrate the potential workforce of a hypothetical Palestine, it will make less and less sense to even entertain the notion of two separate countries. Of course, the fact that it makes little sense is no impediment to international support for it, and ironically, that stubborn support has (and will probably continue to play) a meaningful role in undermining the allegedly desired outcome. |
Have you seen this? http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/gop-platform-republican-convention-israel/
I honestly don't see what the end game on this can be. I think Israel needs the pretense that it is interested in a two state solution because I don't think they will ever be willing to have a unified country with equal representation and rights, but at the same time I don't think they can be honest that they have given up on it and are solidifying the status quo and are content to "mow the grass" every few years with a war in Gaza. You talk about not bring pressure to bear on the Palestinians, but this absurd notion that there should be no daylight between the US and Israel has done the same. In a perverse way, also, providing support for the iron dome prolongs the status quo by making living with rocket attacks a tolerable situation. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly don't see what the end game on this can be. |
One unified state governing the land originally allotted to both Israel and Palestine. After that, the progressive integration of Palestinians through conversion to Judaism in order to reduce social tension; while the matter of state formation has lingered, Palestinians who have desired conversion to Judaism have generally been rejected, but under a single, unified state, it would be wise to lift that de facto policy and instead encourage conversion in order to promote a unified identity. Finally, Palestinian "refugees" could expect to be left out in the cold, and with no hypothetical "Palestine" to which they could return, their host countries might finally choose to fully integrate them (or keep them penned up and continue to use them in props). That is the end game. If Israel approaches the matter this way -- and it looks like that is exactly what it is doing -- then it could resolve the entire problem unilaterally. Regional Muslims would no doubt be unhappy about it, but there's nothing they could do about it in practical terms. Western liberals would also no doubt be unhappy about it (no doubt Israel would be accused of "genocide" or something, since although the actual human beings would live, the phantasmal "Palestinian Identity" would vanish), but they would also struggle to do much, because unlike South Africa, whose goal in Apartheid was ultimately division, Israel would be persuing integration and unification. The progressive influx of Muslims into Europe may well have soured the affection of western liberals for them by that point anyway.
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| You talk about not bring pressure to bear on the Palestinians, but this absurd notion that there should be no daylight between the US and Israel has done the same. In a perverse way, also, providing support for the iron dome prolongs the status quo by making living with rocket attacks a tolerable situation. |
Iron Dome was a blessing for the Palestinians, because Israel is comfortable with disproportionate retaliation; a few Israeli lives saved from random rockets in turn probably saved a substantial amount of Palestinian lives and property. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Japan can not fund itself on tax revenues you handsome genius. And taxe revenues go down as they age. |
That's still no reason to fundamentally alter the nation's demographics. |
only cause they won't be able to have the tax revenue to support the government. Japan's debt is 23x times tax revenues. And it will get worse you dope. You have the economic sense that god gave a sheep. |
Debt is a tool that is used to control people and nations, and blind servitude to paying off interest on endless piles of debt will not last forever. There will come a day when Japan and many others will tell the international web of Jewish creditors and financiers to get out of their countries, and they'll default on that debt and nationalize their banking systems. Importing outsiders is not the answer to these kinds of problems. |
You are getting to be a parody of yourself.
good then they can fund themselves with tax revenues oh wait they can't . It will also throw Japan into depression because many of those who own the debt are older Japanese people who will lose their entire savings.
What will happen as Japan's population shrinks will their GDP increase or decrease?
You are too dumb to be allowed to have children. |
By my calculation, you got about 3-4 hours of sleep then came back to post more drivel in the middle of the night. That indicates very unhealthy behavior, and clearly your mind isn't in a stable place. If me exposing your Wikipedia source in the other thread is really getting to you this much, to the point where you felt the need to dig up and rehash a response I gave you a year ago – the only other time we'd interacted before the other day – it might be best to back off and get your priorities straight.
I'm aware that you're under the impression that if you shout loud enough, it will give the appearance of a victory, but that tactic doesn't actually work when all you're capable of doing is mimicking globalist talking points.
Now try to pay attention. The globalist strategy of forcing mass immigration on developed nations with low birth rates in order to increase economic output is a losing strategy that usually results in countries having to take on more debt since the immigrants are more often than not third worlders with negligible skills. The global financial system relies on constant growth, which is fueled by the constant need for its vassal states to take on more debt, because they know that as soon as economies begin contracting and there are fewer people around, there will be fewer people to take on more debt, and then their scheme will come crashing down on them. But if they can convince nations to import a bunch of incompetent Africans or Muslims, those nations will have to take out more loans to finance their welfare, to give them money to buy things, to build more housing to store them, to create menial jobs for them, to give the oversupply of lawyers work when they break the law, etc., therefore giving the illusion of growth. But it's nothing more than a scam with phoney short term gains at the long term expense of the nation itself. I don't know what Japan should do in the short term and I don't really care, but I'm sure they'll figure something out. What I do know is what they shouldn't do, and that is allow mass immigration into their nation as the West is doing so that they can get fleeced further and become even more entangled in the globalist web of debt. The Japanese are smart, hence their reluctance to go along with this backwards plan. |
Swartz thinks there is nothing wrong with a severe economic contraction, an extended depression and hyper inflation. .
Then again it sort of makes sense since if you goal is to create the conditions which cause nazis and fascists to come to power |
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Leon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly don't see what the end game on this can be. |
One unified state governing the land originally allotted to both Israel and Palestine. After that, the progressive integration of Palestinians through conversion to Judaism in order to reduce social tension; while the matter of state formation has lingered, Palestinians who have desired conversion to Judaism have generally been rejected, but under a single, unified state, it would be wise to lift that de facto policy and instead encourage conversion in order to promote a unified identity. Finally, Palestinian "refugees" could expect to be left out in the cold, and with no hypothetical "Palestine" to which they could return, their host countries might finally choose to fully integrate them (or keep them penned up and continue to use them in props). That is the end game. If Israel approaches the matter this way -- and it looks like that is exactly what it is doing -- then it could resolve the entire problem unilaterally. Regional Muslims would no doubt be unhappy about it, but there's nothing they could do about it in practical terms. Western liberals would also no doubt be unhappy about it (no doubt Israel would be accused of "genocide" or something, since although the actual human beings would live, the phantasmal "Palestinian Identity" would vanish), but they would also struggle to do much, because unlike South Africa, whose goal in Apartheid was ultimately division, Israel would be persuing integration and unification. The progressive influx of Muslims into Europe may well have soured the affection of western liberals for them by that point anyway.
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| You talk about not bring pressure to bear on the Palestinians, but this absurd notion that there should be no daylight between the US and Israel has done the same. In a perverse way, also, providing support for the iron dome prolongs the status quo by making living with rocket attacks a tolerable situation. |
Iron Dome was a blessing for the Palestinians, because Israel is comfortable with disproportionate retaliation; a few Israeli lives saved from random rockets in turn probably saved a substantial amount of Palestinian lives and property. |
Widespread conversion to Judaism? I guess you get points for novelty, but that sounds like the one answer that would make practically every single person involved unhappy. As a practical matter, few jewish Israelis will likely consider the Palestinian s as true jews, and many do not really seem to want to involve their current Arab Israeli citizens in their government (Bibi's whole the Arabs are voting as a get out the vote effort was surprisingly frank). A single state means democratic politics will be drastically changed, which I doubt Israeli leaders or their base desires. The Palestinians do not seem to have any desire to become Jews. I guess I can see the hypothetical benefits, but it reminds me of this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Widespread conversion to Judaism? I guess you get points for novelty, but that sounds like the one answer that would make practically every single person involved unhappy. |
It would make many people not involved unhappy, but the people actually involved, the citizens of Israel, would benefit in the long term.
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| As a practical matter, few jewish Israelis will likely consider the Palestinian s as true jews ... |
Israel has already delt with issues like that before. One example is in the relationship between the Ashkenazis (i.e. the highly intelligent European Jewish population) and other kinds of Jews. Another example lies in its handling of the Ethiopian Jews. A third example lies in discussions about conversion and the validity of forms of Judaism like Reformed Judaism. In each case, the matter was handled adequately, if not ideally, and this matter could be handled in an adequate fashion as well. Could be and, if compassion is to be one's guide, should be.
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| A single state means democratic politics will be drastically changed, which I doubt Israeli leaders or their base desires. |
That's the point of conversion: to ensure the politics don't drastically change. There actually isn't that much difference between a Muslim Palestinian and a Middle Eastern Jew, after all; they share historical roots. Blending the populations together would not be incredibly difficult once any real chance for statehood was obliterated. Between the high fertility rate of the settlers and conversions, it would probably be adequate to keep the status quo moving, and over time, more would likely convert.
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| The Palestinians do not seem to have any desire to become Jews. |
Even now, while Palestinians are de facto barred from converting to Judaism, applications for conversion are made. If the government does a 180 after unifying the land and makes a real effort to unify the people, it can probably be accomplished. Not completely, but again, adequately.
I'm convinced at this point it's possible, and I've always suggested a single state solution would be ideal for the region in the long term, so I have to admit, I'm optimistic. If Israel really succeeds in doing an end run around the the endless, bureaucratic demands for "negotiation" and resolves this issue in a humane fashion, it would be incredible. The only real concern is whether the Israeli government is willing to stand up and make an effort to integrate a populace which, in principle, can be integrated. I strongly suspect Israel is going to end up governing the "Palestinian territory." I must admit I'm not as convinced that they'll be willing to take in the populace which currently lives there; that is a hope coupled with a reasonable path towards achieving said hope, not a conviction. It's really the best chance available to the population in question, which otherwise can expect a long, hard road that likely leads to a dead end.
We'll see where we are another five or ten years from now, I suppose. |
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Leon
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Widespread conversion to Judaism? I guess you get points for novelty, but that sounds like the one answer that would make practically every single person involved unhappy. |
It would make many people not involved unhappy, but the people actually involved, the citizens of Israel, would benefit in the long term.
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| As a practical matter, few jewish Israelis will likely consider the Palestinian s as true jews ... |
Israel has already delt with issues like that before. One example is in the relationship between the Ashkenazis (i.e. the highly intelligent European Jewish population) and other kinds of Jews. Another example lies in its handling of the Ethiopian Jews. A third example lies in discussions about conversion and the validity of forms of Judaism like Reformed Judaism. In each case, the matter was handled adequately, if not ideally, and this matter could be handled in an adequate fashion as well. Could be and, if compassion is to be one's guide, should be.
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| A single state means democratic politics will be drastically changed, which I doubt Israeli leaders or their base desires. |
That's the point of conversion: to ensure the politics don't drastically change. There actually isn't that much difference between a Muslim Palestinian and a Middle Eastern Jew, after all; they share historical roots. Blending the populations together would not be incredibly difficult once any real chance for statehood was obliterated. Between the high fertility rate of the settlers and conversions, it would probably be adequate to keep the status quo moving, and over time, more would likely convert.
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| The Palestinians do not seem to have any desire to become Jews. |
Even now, while Palestinians are de facto barred from converting to Judaism, applications for conversion are made. If the government does a 180 after unifying the land and makes a real effort to unify the people, it can probably be accomplished. Not completely, but again, adequately.
I'm convinced at this point it's possible, and I've always suggested a single state solution would be ideal for the region in the long term, so I have to admit, I'm optimistic. If Israel really succeeds in doing an end run around the the endless, bureaucratic demands for "negotiation" and resolves this issue in a humane fashion, it would be incredible. The only real concern is whether the Israeli government is willing to stand up and make an effort to integrate a populace which, in principle, can be integrated, and that would be the difference between brutal pragmatism and genuine humane compassion.
I strongly suspect Israel is going to end up governing the "Palestinian territory." I must admit I'm not as convinced that they'll be willing to take in the populace which currently lives there; that is a hope coupled with a reasonable path towards achieving said hope, not a conviction. It's really the best chance available to the population in question, which otherwise can expect a long, hard road that likely leads to a dead end. |
I think a single state is more feasible at this point than two states, but even then am far from optimistic in the near term. I think the idea that mass conversion will happen is magical thinking, but perhaps when you said long term you meant incredibly so because I doubt we will see it in our lifetime.
I guess an interesting case study would be looking at how Jews from Soviet countries were integrated. (Side point from other thread-if communism is a jewish plot why did they restrict jewish immigration to israel, and why wasnt the USSR aligned with Israel?) My understanding is that they weren't interested, in general, in forming an Israeli identity, speaking Hebrew, etc. I think they formed something like 10% of the population in a quick period of time, had their own preestablished networks, brought organized crime to Israel etc. Hardly the same, but a worthwhile comparison.
Just saw you added the 5-10 years part. My guess, the same place. Although, a lot of unforeseen things can happen once youbget closer to the 10 year part of that range. Also, with what is going in in that region, the range of possible outcomes in general seem frighteningly broad. |
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