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themagicbean



Joined: 04 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:30 pm    Post subject: buy your own office supplies Reply with quote

I landed what I thought was an excellent gig. But I am now informed that we have to buy our own office supplies. I won't get into the other negatives, or the positives (there's a fair list of both). But just wondering: Is it standard for uni profs (E-1 visas) to have to buy stuff like PENS AND POST-ITS?
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yfb



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you really that miserly?

Why would you care about that?
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yfb wrote:
Are you really that miserly?

Why would you care about that?


Why pens and post-its could end up costing upwards of 3000 won for a year's supply! Rolling Eyes

Hang around Dave's long enough and you'll find NETs to be some of the CHEAPEST people on earth. Self-administered haircuts, trying not to turn on lights at night time, collecting used cigarette butts to make another one, trying to go as long as possible without bathing, refusing to use toliet paper. . . nothing surprises me about NETs any more. Laughing
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could always pillage and plunder your colleague's supply.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
yfb wrote:
Are you really that miserly?

Why would you care about that?


Why pens and post-its could end up costing upwards of 3000 won for a year's supply! Rolling Eyes

Hang around Dave's long enough and you'll find NETs to be some of the CHEAPEST people on earth. Laughing


I don't think that's the point. At my previous school, they chipped in and provided a lot of stuff like scissors, pencils, paper, tape (so much tape, it was like they were preparing for us to package the kids up in boxes and ship them), etc...

So, I didn't complain or anything when I wanted a ball or something for an activity game. If everyone is chipping in, great.

It's when the teacher is the only one contributing that it becomes unfair. Students will take the pencils or erasers. When the teacher tries to offer things individually, the school tends to not care and they don't enforce any rules.

When the group is involved and school and teacher are chipping in, then you get a team effort to make sure students abide by the rules.

I get the impression the OP doesn't have much support. It's not like they are complaining about no cups or toilet paper in their apartment.
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to a Morning Glory (not as much dirty fun as it sounds, but very cheap)... Shocked

...well....my university dims the lights during 10 minute breaks, where upon the taekwondo students immediately give a demo, the fine arts students sketch my daily portrait, the music students play soothing music, and this goes on all the while 5 of the hottest staff in the building give me a full body massage and tell me how awesome I am...you got duped... Cool

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...seriously though...you can go to the main office or department head and if you really want the cash bring your reciepts of your supplies...most have a form you can fill out and get reimbursed...there is also a text allowance and so on..look into it...
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
yfb wrote:
Are you really that miserly?

Why would you care about that?


Why pens and post-its could end up costing upwards of 3000 won for a year's supply! Rolling Eyes

Hang around Dave's long enough and you'll find NETs to be some of the CHEAPEST people on earth. Self-administered haircuts, trying not to turn on lights at night time, collecting used cigarette butts to make another one, trying to go as long as possible without bathing, refusing to use toliet paper. . . nothing surprises me about NETs any more. Laughing


I find your reply to be quite insulting.

So you are saying that a teacher should have to buy all the supplies they should need to do their job?

If you were an accountant, would they require you to buy all the supplies you needed to do your job? How about a doctor? Lawyer? Let's look a little lower on the professional totem pole: would a secretary be required to buy supplies?

So why the heck should a teacher? If the supplies are profiting the place where you work, why shouldn't that place pay for them?

Also 3000 won for pens and post-its for the year? Where do you shop, I'd love to know where that is. My pens that I buy for myself are generally 1500-2000 won each. I used to go through about 10-20 of those 2000 won pens a school year. Sure, I could have used the 500 won pens my school provided, but I used to be picky.

Teachers might be cheap, but come on! Is it really that bad to expect our employers to pay for the materials we use for our day to day jobs?
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^+1

Seriously though, don't most Unis supply board markers, copy paper, computers, coffee packets and tea bags, have staplers and so forth around...at least they do where I teach....so a few pens and pencils, some tape, and odds and ends a few times a year isn't going to break the bank...
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have my own stationary and always bring it with me to every job. I hate having to battle for things, but some schools are pretty good.

Where I draw the line is that I don't think that teachers should have to buy white board markers or other things that are used in the classroom.

But I do think that buying your own personal pens or post it notes is the teachers responsibility. I don't see the big deal with that. I too use a lot of pens, but don't consider it the school's responsibility.

If you have to make a lot of copies and teaching packets, I would insist on a stapler.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
So you are saying that a teacher should have to buy all the supplies they should need to do their job?


Please show me where I said this or simply learn to read before jumping to conclusions.

If you are so cheap that you don't want to pay for your own pens and post-its, then perhaps you should not be teaching at a UNIVERSITY. Rolling Eyes
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - the first year that I got my uni job, I bought my own office supplies. Didn't cost that much, may be 50K?

Now, though, it is provided for, out of the Dean's money.
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themagicbean



Joined: 04 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to all (on second read, really just one) of you who ignored my question or who have never worked in a professional office for your useless and insulting replies.

I was asking if this was standard policy in a culture I'm not familiar with, little things like this--if not standard--can be a good baromoter for the employer's overall timbre in dealing with employees.

I'm a bit more used to the western thought of office expenses being paid for by ... the employer! So strange. Clearly a cultural barrier here. Can't think of a Uni or an office in the west doing the same thing. But if other places do it then it may just be a small, common thing and not a bad sign.

@ Madoka: Take your BA, inexperience, and condescending attitude and go get a real job. Oh wait you can't. That's why you're here assuming everyone else here is also a loser. Great for our collective image.


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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

themagicbean wrote:
Thanks to all (on second read, really just one) of you who ignored my question or who have never worked in a professional office for your useless and insulting replies.

I was asking if this was standard policy in a culture I'm not familiar with, little things like this--if not standard--can be a good baromoter for the employer's overall timbre in dealing with employees.

I'm a bit more used to the western though of office expenses being paid for by ... the employer! So strange. Clearly a cultural barrier here. Can't think of a Uni or an office in the west doing the same thing. But if other places do it then it may just be a small, common thing and not a bad sign.

@ Madoka: Take your BA and go get a real job. Oh wait you can't. That's why you're here assuming everyone else here is also a loser. Great for our collective image.


It's crappy, because those things should be paid for, but it's really not expensive. I get free pens at school, but bring in my own, because I prefer the pilot pens and dayglo sticky notes that I packed from home. My mom's the same way with office supplies, so a few months ago, sent me a fresh supply. Go mom!

I'm sure you'll be able to find some nice quality pens and stickies for not too much. Choose your battles. Don't fight with them over so small an issue. It sucks, but isn't as bad as being paid late or not getting pension, insurance, etc.

Also, per the "not being able to get a job" comment, not everyone was unemployed or unemployable before coming here. Some wanted a change of scenery, and a chance to experience a different culture while young enough to do so without damaging one's career prospects. I left a decent job in publishing to come here, because when I go home, I can use the "the economy was terrible" excuse when rejoining my peers, whereas if I'd done it a few years prior, it would have seemed odd.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic Bean:"'m a bit more used to the western thought of office expenses being paid for by ... the employer! So strange. Clearly a cultural barrier here. Can't think of a Uni or an office in the west doing the same thing. But if other places do it then it may just be a small, common thing and not a bad sign."

You clearly have not worked for any University in the west. It was like pulling teeth to get anything requisitioned at the 2 universities I worked for in the US. They didn't even give a computer.


Many of the smaller lower ranked schools in Korea will pinch their pennies any way they can. I still wouldn't make an issue of it or worry too much.

However, if this is something that you find really important then bring it up. you could also keep your receipts and just hand them in to admin and say that you need reimbursement for class materials. It might get passed through.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

themagicbean wrote:

I'm a bit more used to the western thought of office expenses being paid for by ... the employer!


You're still clueless, so maybe this story will help. I've got a friend who thinks very similarly to you. He is a freelance computer consultant who gets paid $175 per hour, yet he still feels justified billing his clients extra for stupid things like faxes, electricity and paper. Then he acts all self-righteous and surprised when they terminate his contract ASAP.

I've got five employees now. If any of them were to bother me with trivialities like that, I'd be looking to replace them as well because they don't have a good sense of priorities.

In short, asking for reimbursement at the college level for pens/post-its = loser. Sorry the truth hurts.
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